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LAMTRAK AUTHORIZATION

95-2 HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON
TRANSPORTATION AND COMMERCE

of THE

COMMITTEE ON ... INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-FIFTH CONGRESS
SECOND_SESSION
ON

H.R. 11493 . . .

A BILL TO AMEND THE RAIL PASSENGER SERVICE ACT TO
EXTEND THE AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS FOR AN
ADDITIONAL FISCAL YEAR, TO PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC CON-
SIDERATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A RAIL. PASSENGER
SERVICE STUDY, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

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A BILL TO PROVIDE FOR THE DESIGNATION AND IMPLEMEN

TATION OF A REVISED BASIC RAIL PASSENGER SYSTEM, THE

RESTRUCTURING OF THE NATIONAL RAILROAD PASSENGER
CORPORATION, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

. . MARCH 20, 21, AND APRIL 5, 1978

* * Serial No. 95–125

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 33-097 O WASHINGTON : 1978 V ". . \ - y s

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COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN CoMMERCE-
HARLEY O. STAGGERS, West Virginia, Chairman
JOHN E. MOSS, California SAMUEL L. DEVINE, Ohio

JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan JAMES T. BROYHILL, North Carolina
PAUL G. ROGERS, Florida TIM LEE CARTER, Kentucky

LIONEL WAN DEERLIN, California CLARENCE J. BROWN, Ohio
FRED B. ROONEY, Pennsylvania JOE SKUBITZ, Kansas
JOHN M. MURPHY, New York JAMES M. COLLINS, Texas

DAVID E. SATTERFIELD III, Virginia LOUIS FREY, JR., Florida
BOB ECKHARDT, Texas NORMAN F. LENT, New York
RICHARDSON PREYER, North Carolina EDWARD R. MADIGAN, Illinois
CHARLES J. CARNEY, Ohio CARLOS R. MOOREIEAD, California
RALPH. H. METCALFE, Illinois MATTHEW J. RINALDO, New Jersey
JAMES H. SCHEUER, New York W. HENSON MOORE, Louisiana
RICHARD L. OTTINGER, New York DAVE STOCKMAN, Michigan
HENRY A. WAXMAN, California MARC L. MARKS, Pennsylvania
ROBERT (BOB) KRUEGER, Texas

TIMOTHY E. WIRTH, Colorado

PHILIP R. SHARP, Indiana

JAMES J. FLORIO, New Jersey

ANTHONY TOBY MOFFETT, Connecticut

JIM SANTINI, Nevada

ANDREW MAGUIRE, New Jersey

MARTY RUSSO, Illinois

EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts

THOMAS A. LUKEN, Ohio

DOUG WALGREN, Pennsylvania

BOB GAMMAGE, Texas

ALBERT GORE, Jr., Tennessee

BARBARA A. MIKULSKI, Maryland

W. E. WILLIAM son, Chief Clerk and Staff Director
KENNETH. J. PAINTER, First Assistant Clerk
ELEANor A. DINKINs, Assistant Clerk
WILLIAM L. BURNs, Printing Editor

Professional Staff

ELIZABETH HARRISON CHRISTOPHER E. DUNNE
JEFFREY H. SCHWARTZ WILLIAM M. KITzMILLER
BRIAN R. Moir MARK J. RAABE
KAREN NELSON THOMAS M. RYAN

Ross DAVID AIN
J. PAUL Molloy, Associate Minority Counsel

SUBCOMMITTEE on TRANSPORTATION AND CoMMERCE
FRED B. ROONEY, Pennsylvania, Chairman

RALPH. H. METCALFE, Illinois JOE SKUBITZ, Kansas
BARBARA A. MIKULSKI, Maryland EDWARD R. MADIGAN, Illinois
JAMES J. FLORIO, New Jersey NORMAN F. LENT, New York

JIM S.A.NTINI, Nevada SAMUEL L. DEVINE, Ohio (Ex Officio)
MARTY RUSso, Illinois
, BoE GAMMAGE, Texas
: JoHN M. MURPHY, New York
HARLEY O. STAGGERS, West Virginia
(Ex omelo).

WILLIAM T. DRUHAN, Staff Director

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Passenger Corporation--------------------------------------- 157

Crikelair, Thomas G., assistant director, National Association of

Railroad Passengers----------------------------------------- 142

Elkins, Clifford, director, National Conference of State Railway

Officials---------------------------------------------------- 108

Eschwege, Henry, director, Community and Economic Development

Division, General Accounting Office--------------------------- 39

Gephardt, Hon. Richard A., a Representative in Congress from the
tate of Missouri-------------------------------------------- 104

Gianturco, Adriana, director, California Department of Transporta- 85
tion--------------------------------------------------------

Gore, Hon. Albert, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Tennessee------------------------------------------------ 92

Gray, George, director, mass transportation division, California

Department of Transportation-------------------------------- 85

Jenrette, Hon. John W., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the
State of South Carolina-------------------------------------- 153
Joyce, Lawrence T., chairman, Keystone Association of Railroad
*SSengers-------------------------------------------------- 206
Knowlton, Richard K., general counsel, Atchison, Topeka and Sante
Fe Railway System------------------------------------------ 190
Lewis, Arthur D., president, American Bus Association------------- 121
McFall, Hon. John J., a Representative in Congress from the State of
California-------------------------------------------------- 79
McLure, Herbert, assistant director, in charge with work involving
the railroads, General Accounting Office------------------------ 39

Mahoney, William G., attorney, Railway Labor Executives' Associa-

tion-------------------------------------------------------- 96

Marlenee, Hon. Ron, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Montana--------------------------------------------------- 94

O'Neal, Hon. A. Daniel, Chairman, Interstate Commerce Commission- 52

Transportation---------------------------------------------- 194

Schiefelbein, Dick, Chief, Section of Analysis and Evaluation and Rail
Services Planning Office, Interstate Commerce Commission------- 52
Seigler, Clarence, supervisory auditor, in charge of work at Amtrak
General Accounting Office------------------------------------ 39
Skinner, Donald, staff member, with Congressman Jenrette of South
Carolina---------------------------------------------------- 153

Snyder, James R., chairman, legislative committee, Railway Labor

Executives' Association--------------------------------------- 96

Sullivan, John M., Administrator, Federal Railroad Administration,

Department of Transportation-------------------------------- 61

Swinburn, Charles, Associate Administrator, Federal Assistance, De-
partment of Transportation----------------------------------- 61

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Additional material submitted for the record by—
American Bus Association:
Attachments to Mr. Lewis' prepared statement:
Table I.-A comparison of typical intercity bus and Amtrak
one-way fares, February 1972 and 1978-----------------
Table II.-A comparison of typical intercity bus and Amtrak
round trip and excursion fares, February 1972 and 1978--
Table III.-Comparison of average fares in representative
markets—Amtrak and intercity buses, February 1972 and
1978-----------------------------------------------
Draft statement of American Bus Association-------------
General Accounting Office, appendixes to Mr. Eschwege's prepared
Statement:
**. I.—List of prior GAO reports on the National Railroad
assenger Corporation (Amtrak)--------------------------
Appendix II.-Fuel efficiency and safety of major intercity trans-
portation modes-----------------------------------------
Appendix III.-Amtrak fares on potential corridor routes com-
pared with other transportation modes---------------------
Aoi. IV.-Amtrak actions on recommendations from prior
A0 reports--------------------------------------------
Louis Harris & Associates survey----------------------------
McFall, Hon. John J., a Representative in Congress from the State
of California, appendix, energy intensiveness, 1975 (Btu's per pas-
senger-mile)-------------------------------------------------
National Conference of State Railway Officials:
Attachments to Mr. Elkins' prepared statement:
Letter dated March 3, 1978, from Mr. Flanders, director,
Rhode Island Department of Transportation, to Mr. Elkins
re H.R. 11493---------------------------------------
Exhibit A–Statement of Bruce Hagen, commissioner, North
Dakota Public Service Commission--------------------
Letter dated February 21, 1978, from Mr. Simons, executive
director, Ohio Rail Transportation Authority, to Secretary
Adams re railroad problems---------------------------
Letter dated February 9, 1978, from Mr. Hennessy, commis-
sioner, New York State Department of Transportation, to
Secretary Adams re rail passenger service---------------
Killoran, John P., chairman, passenger committee, statement of
National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak):
Attachment—April 30, 1978, northeast corridor schedule change
Summary-----------------------------------------------
Relative fuel efficiency-------------------------------------
Location of Norfolk, Va., railroad station---------------------
Bus passenger loads since inception of service------------------
New York Department of Transportation, attachments to Mr. Rossi's
prepared statement:
Letter dated February 8, 1978, from Mr. Hennessy, to Secretary
Adams restatewide high-speed intercity rail passenger program-
Northeast/Midwest rail passenger service schedules------------
New York State policy statement—Northeast corridor improve-
ment project--------------------------------------------
Statement submitted for the record by William L. Barwis, manager,
rail passenger operations, Michigan Department of State Highways
and Transportation------------------------------------------
Letters submitted for the record by—
Michigan State Department of State Highways and Transporta-
tion, John P. Woodfor, director---------------------------
Ohio Association of Railroad Passenger, Thomas R. Pulsifer,
president-----------------------------------------------
Penn Central Transportation Co., Robert W. Blanchette-------
Pennsylvania, Commonwealth of, Department of Transportation,
E. L. Tennyson, deputy secretary-------------------------

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ORGANIZATIONS REPRESENTED AT THE HEARINGS

American Bus Association, Arthur D. Lewis, president.
California Department of Transportation:

Gianturco, Adrian, director.

Gray, George, director, mass transportation division. General Accounting Office:

Eschwege, Henry, Director.

McLure, Herbert, Assistant Director, in charge of work involving the rail

roads.

Seigler, Clarence, Supervisor Auditor. Interstate Commerce Commission :

O'Neal, Hon. A. Daniel, Chairman.

Schiefelbein, Lick, Chief. Keystone Association of Railroad Passengers, Lawrence T. Joyce, chairman. National Association of Railroad Passengers, Thomas G. Crikelair, assistant

director.

National Conference of State Railway Officials, Clifford Elkins, director.
National Railroad I’assenger Corporation (Amtrak) :

Brazier, Donald R., vice president.

Reistrup, Paul H., president.
New York Department of Transportation, Louis Rossi, director.
Railway Labor Executives' Association :

Mahoney, William G., attorney.

Snyder, James R., chairman. Transportation Department:

Sullivan, John M., Administrator.

Swinburn, Charles, Associate Administrator.

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