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railroad to repair your wives. Here we have an ordinary highway. We can put a truck out with a lineman and repair the wire.

Mr. MAHON. In the event it is bombed!
General LAWTON. In the event it is bombed.
General REEDER. It is less vulnerable to weather, too.

General LAWTON. That is correct. There are snowslides that put the railroad out for a week or 10 days at a time.

Mr. ENGEL. That is the railroad from Anchorage to Fairbanks? General LAWTON. That is right.

Mr. ENGEL. That is where they have the snowslides and are closed up in the wintertime and cannot get over it at all for weeks and weeks, because of tunnels?

General LAWTON. That is right.
Mr. SIKES. Let met ask one more question.


You state in the opening paragraph of your general statement that the regular signal service fiscal year 1951 estimates were $158,000,000. You say it is necessary to increase these estimates in order to support the Korean operation by $148,000,000.

General, do you mean literally that because of the operation in Korea we have to double the funds for the Signal Service?

General LAWTON. The greater portion of that will go for the Korean operation, and replacing in the United States the equipment we are no wtaking and sending to Korea, which will probably be shot up; or else to take care of this third increment here, as indicated here [indicating].

Mr. SIKES. I just want to be sure that is the situation. It is hard for me to comprehend that you are going to need as much money now for the Korean operation alone as you had anticipated you would need all year in support of the entire establishment.

General LAWTON. But you must remember what we asked for in 1951. The $158,000,000 included the equipment of some five divisions here in the United States with new modern equipment. This goes beyond that.

In other words, we are not going to lose $148,000,000 worth of equipment in the Korean fight. We are going to lose part of that in the Korean fight.

The other amount is to equip this third increment of the Army which will be in the United States ready to go either there or some other place.

Mr. Mahon. It is for a greater degree of readiness!
General LAWTON. For a greater degree of readiness.

Mr. SIKES. How many additional divisions will be equipped with new equipment as a result of this money you are now requesting?

General LAWTON. This will be six additional divisions. Mr. SIKES. Then, you anticipate all of the regular Army divisions will be equipped with first-line communications

General LAWTON. Yes, sir; with our latest modernized equipment. Mr. SIKES. All right. That is different from using it all for Korea. General LAWTON. No, sir; it will not all go to Korea.

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Mr. ENGEL. Does the Signal Corps provide the radio equipment for these new tanks?

General LAWTON. Yes, sir; we do. It is in this budget.
Mr. ENGEL. It is in this budget?
General LAWTON. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. In other words, you provide for this number of light tanks and medium tanks and these combat cars?

General LAWTON. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. All the radio equipment for these cars we are buying now?

General LAWTON. You are buying out of that $148,000,000.

Mr. ENGEL. All this new equipment we are buying for ordnance is here, including the conversion of tanks, if any!

General LAWTON. That is right.
Mr. ENGEL. That equipment is all included in this?

General LAWTON. In this $148,000,000; yes, sir. Our program goes along in step with the ordnance.

Mr. ENGEL. That is all, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. MAHON. Thank you very much.


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General LAWTON. I have one other item, sir. I think Mr. Rabaut will remember this.

In the regular Alaska budget you reduced the construction of quarters and buildings up there from $3,000,000 to $1,000,000 because at that time we did not have a firm cost in Alaska. Since that time Mr. Johnson, Secretary of Defense, set a committee up, with which you are familiar, and we went over to the Senate with that evidence, and that evidence indicated that the Johnson committee said we should build not a set of quarters for a noncom of $1,080 square feet but of 976 square feet, and the unit price would be $14,772.

Mr. RABAUT. As compared to what before!

General LAWTON. Well, this does not state what it was before, but it was considerably more.

Now that this is firm, and the Senate has approved our request, we would like to have it approved. I can tell you in dollars what it saved. It saved $122,080. It reduced our estimate by $122,080.

Mr. MAHON. That will be considered in conference between the House and Senate.

General LAWTON. Yes. I just raise that for your consideration. The figure is firm now, as a result of that, and the Senate has approved it. Mr. RABAUT. Is there any additional request for housing in here?

General LAWTON. No. There is a request in here for buildings for repeater stations, but not quarters for people to live at these four spots. Mr. MAHON. Thank you very





Mr. MAHON. We will consider at this time the supplemental request for "Engineer service, Army.”

We are happy to have with us at this time Brigadier General Bragdon, the Deputy Chief of Engineers.


year 1951

General BRAGDON. Gentlemen, the supplemental fiscal estimate for the appropriation, "Engineer service, Army," amounts to $329,115,182. Of this amount, $69,080,465 is for the expanded Army; $188,094,117 is for task force; and $71,490,600 is for the third increment.

These funds are necessary to meet the minimum requirements for activities and functions financed from this appropriation for the expanded Army and support of troops in the theater of operation.

$262,997,422 is being requested for procurement of engineer military supplies and equipment; maintenance, repair, and rehabilitation of equipment; replacement of equipment due to operational losses; and for depot operations. $49,004,200 is required for repair and utility activities, including the opening of necessary stations and activation of spaces in existing stations to accommodate the expanding Army; maintenance, operation, alteration, and rehabilitation of reactivated stations and expanded operations at depots, arsensals, ports, and other necessary establishments. These funds will also provide for the employment of civilians to replace enlisted personnel. Real-estate activities will require $12,229,900 to finance the leasing of facilities due to increased recruiting requirements; overnight lodgings of recruits; expansion of procurement offices, special storage, closed storage, warehouses, building, and office space. $4,883,660 is being requested in the supplemental estimate for increased training of engineer troops required for the expanded Army, and to process, publish, and transmit to the theater of operation, horizontal control data necessary for artillery, typographic maps at all scales, engineer intelligence data, and terrain relief models.

The second sheet I passed around was a breakdown for the engineer of the line of the consolidation sheet which you have for all the appropriations.

It shows that the heaviest amount we request is under 120, “Procurement of engineer military supplies and equipment.” You will notice there we asked for $44,000,000 in our original 1951 budget, and in this supplement it is $250,000,000.

Under "Army repairs and utilities," while our regular appropriation was $190,000,000, we are here requesting about $49,000,000.

For "Real-estate activities” we are requesting about $12,000,000, and our regular appropriation request was about $12,000,000.

Under "Maintenance and repair of engineer military equipment” we are asking about $6,000,000 in addition to the $20,000,000.


For “Storage and issue of engineer military supplies and equipment” we are asking for somewhat under 5 million dollars as against the 9.9 million dollars which we asked for in the regular 1951 budget.

For “Military surveys and maps" we are asking about $4.5 million For “Operation of engineer school” we are asking a small amount of about $300,000.

If you would like me to expand on those individual amounts, I can go into a little more detail on how they were computed.

Mr. ENGEL. Mr. Chairman, in examining the engineer items here I find great detail as to the items, but I do not find the numbers of the items.

General BRAGDON. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. You just allocate a certain amount for each item without allocating the numbers ?

General BRAGDON. No, sir; for the expanded Army and for the increment they were based on tables of organization and equipment and tables of allowances.

Mr. ENGEL. If you will pardon me, on your justification page 2, for instance, tab 15, picking up one item of a saw chain bolt, 36-inch, you have $30,000. That is more than one, is it not?

General BRAGDON. Yes; we do not show the number of units under each item.

Mr. ENGEL. You do not show the numbers, so we could not figure out the unit price?

General BRAGDON. We can get that for you right now.
Mr. ENGEL. Why did you not show the unit prices there?
General BRAGDON. I do not know. Can you answer that, Colonel ?

Mr. ENGEL. You have the amount you are spending on each one, but we cannot tell whether it is high or low unless we have the number. You might buy 10 or 50.

General BRAGDON. We based numbers of units on tables of organization and equipment allowances and factors of expenditure.

Mr. ENGEL. You have an item of electric arc welder, $114,400. That looks like one arc welder. Of course, it is many arc welders, I presume.

Mr. Mahon. You may proceed.

General BRAGDON. That is all I have, unless you would like me to take up the individual figures on this sheet. I can give you a more detailed breakdown.

Mr. ENGEL. He has the amount. For instance, $65,000,000 on page 2. There are three or four pages of very detailed items of justification. I would not put them on the record.

Mr. Mahon. They are available to us.
General BRAGDON. They are in the detailed sheets you have.

General REEDER. The largest amount of money here is for all the engineering supply materials that General MacArthur will use when he starts moving forward again in Korea and he repairs bridges, railroads, runways,

and so forth. All those supplies the engineers buy, and there is something like $170,000,000 just for that purpose.




Mr. Mahon. We will now take up the Medical Department, the Medical and Hospital Department, Army.


General ARMSTRONG. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, the Medical Department is requesting $11,445,953 under the appropriation “Medical and Hospital Department, Army” as a supplemental estimate for fiscal year 1951 as a result of operations in Korea. This amount, when added to the $54,883,000 reported by the Senate under this appropriation for fiscal year 1951, provides a revised total of $66,328,953.

The supplemental estimate of $11,445,953 is divided into three parts as follows: Expanded Army

$3,508, 614 Task force---

5, 949, 766 Third increment.

1,987, 573 The $3,508,614 requested under "Expanded Army” represents fund requirements for medical and hospital care on a peacetime basis and increased medical activity at recruiting stations for the first element of expansion in the man-year strength of the Army. The $5,949,766 requested under “Task force” provide funds for (1) the hospitalization of Army patients as a result of battle conditions in Korea, (2) consumption of medical supplies and equipment by combat and supporting troops in Korea, (3) increased pipeline of medical supplies and equipment from zone of interior depots to combat depots in Korea, and (4) equipping to authorized allowances medical units now in Japan for Korean operations. The $1,987,573 requested under "Third increment” represents fund requirements for medical and hospital care on a peacetime basis, and increased medical activity at recruiting stations for the second element of expansion in the man-year strength of the Army.

It has been determined by the Medical Director, Office of the Secretary of Defense, that the expanded Army and the Korean operations combined will necessitate an increase of 2,391 in the average number of occupied beds required for fiscal year 1951 in Army hospitals. In determining fund requirements for these additional beds, the staffing patterns, average salaries, and other factors used in the computation of the regular fiscal-year 1951 fund requirements were used.

As part of the estimates, you will find a detailed breakdown and justification of these funds by budget projects.

Mr. Mahon. Who made up this figure, General Armstrong? General ARMSTRONG. You are referring to the total supplemental of $11,445,953

Mr. Mahon. Yes.

General ARMSTRONG. That figure represents the amount approved by the Office of the Secretary of Defense after reviewing our supplementary requirements.

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