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JULIAN P. LANGSTON, having been previously duly sworn, was recalled and testified further as follows:
By Mr. TAYLER:
Q. Mr. Langston, you have already testified and you are the chief clerk of the Committee on House Administration?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Mr. Langston, I am going to hand you a voucher on a House of Representatives form for the month of September 1965, from Western Union, in the amount of $4,136.85 for telegraphic service furnished the minority office for the period ending September 30, 1965, and ask you if your can identify that.
A. Yes, sir, Mr. Counsel, I can identify this. It is the original of the set of vouchers that come through the Committee on House Administration for normal processing and payment of a bill supported by invoice.
Q. Was that voucher paid?
A. This voucher was approved and sent to disbursing office, and I see that it was paid on October 26, 1965. The check number is shown on the face of the voucher.
Q. And the particular voucher you have in your hand, the original of the voucher, did that come from the records of the Finance Office of the House?
A. The voucher originated in the office of the Committee on Education and Labor.
Q. No, I mean where did you obtain it from.
A. It reached the Committee on House Administration from the House Finance Office.
Q. Very well. That is part of the official records of the Finance Office?
A. That is right.
Q. Now, sir, I am going to show you Steinhauer exhibit 2 and ask you if you can identify that.
A. Yes, Mr. Counsel, I can identify this. This is the Western Union invoice that accompanied the original and two copies of the voucher to the Committee on House Administration. This invoice was retained in the Committee on House Administration files together with one of the duplicate copies of the voucher.
Q. Does that—is that the supporting data for the voucher that you have already identified?
A. Yes. These two documents bear the same control number that was placed on them by the Committee on House Administration.
Q. What number is that?
May the voucher be admitted as Langston exhibit-whatever the next exhibit is—No. 6, Mr. Chairman?
Mr. Hays. Without objection, it may be so admitted.
To be filled out and sub-
(Do not write in this space) mitted in triplicate.)
H. of R.
(Do not write in this space) Western Union.
Appropriation to UF SPECIAL
AND SELECT COMMITTEES
I CERTIYY that the above bill is correct and just, and that payment therefor has not been received,
* SIGN ORIGINAL ONLY (BIU nust be completoly filled in before cert
Payee Beation by Dayee, and there must not be any
WESTte. We Brasure or alteration whatever.)
By China Cartosa
I CERTIFY that the above articles have been received in good condition and in the quality and quantity above specified, or the services performed as stated, and that they are in accordance with the orders therefor; that the prices charged are just, reasonable, and in accordance with agreement.
Clerk, United States House of Representatives
dated .001.6.1965 United States at Washington, D. C., in favor of payee named above.
• W bere a voucher is certified by a corporation or company, the pain of the person writing the corporate or company name, as well as the capacity in which he signs, must appear. Example: "Chicago Edison Company. Der John Smith," Secretary of Treasurer, or member of Arm, as the case may be.
(The above-referred to document was marked "Langston exhibit 6” and received in evidence.) Mr. TAYLER. That is all.
By Mr. O'Connor: Q. Do you recall when that invoice came to your office whether there was a copy of the original telegram attached to it?
A. It is difficult to remember the exact instance, as so many vouchers go through, but I don't recall seeing it. It would be extremely unusual because of the amount and I believe that I would have
personal recollection. I questioned the personnel in the office that might also work with this. No one remembers seeing the original of the telegram.
Q. So you assumption is that it did not come to your office?
WILL HENDERSON, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
Mr. Hays. Will you state for the record, Mr. Henderson, your full name and address.
The WITNESS. Will Henderson, 200 C Street SE., Washington, D.C.
The WITNESS. Well, according to that thing, I never knew the title. It is clerk, but it is a part-time position.
Mr. Hays. All right.
Mr. Henderson, your appearance before this committee will be in executive session unless you request it to be in public session. If your appearance is in executive session the public and press will not be admitted to the hearing room and your testimony, pursuant to paragraph 26, House of Representatives rule XI, and your testimony may not be released or used in a public session without the consent of this committee. If your appearance is in public session, the public and news reporters will be admitted.
I ask you now whether you choose to appear before this committee in executive or public session.
The WITNESS. Well, I have no choice. It doesn't make much difference to me. But I am willing to go ahead with the committee as it so is.
Mr. Hays. In executive session?
Mr. Hays. You received a copy of paragraph 26, rule XI with your subpena or with the letter.
The WITNESS. Yes.
Mr. Hays. You were here yesterday when I read my opening statement, were you not?
The WITNESS. Yes.
The WITNESS. In what regard, Mr. Chairman?
Mr. Hays. Well, I mean the purposes of the investigation and so forth.
The WITNESS. Yes.
The WITNESS. No, I sold my newspaper, my news service, and I sold my interest in newspapers. And frankly, what I am doing down here is I am just trying to make my last years more meaningful by working where I can.
Mr. DEVINE. You are not working as an independent press man?
The WITNESS. The only thing that I have done is a newsletter that helped out a friend of mine. But I didn't receive any pay for that at all. In other words, I had retired, Mr. Devine, but retirement is just not for me and I wanted to get back doing something. And I came down here and I worked for nothing to help out people. I wasn't on anybody's payroll. But anybody who needed my servicesMr. ÞEVINE. Thank you; that answers my question.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Mr. Henderson, we called you here today to clarify two items that were developed during the audit of the vouchers in the travel for the Education and Labor Committee. And during the year January 3 to September 30, 1965, you were employed on that committee, were you not?
Q. And during the audit—and we furnished you with a copy of the results of the audit in the letter that you received from us—the audit indicates that you traveled from Washington to San Francisco in August 1965 while on the staff of the full committee.
A. Wait a minute. That was August?
A. There was an error on that ticket. The ticket said San Francisco, but I went to Los Angeles.
Q. Yes. Let me read this and then you can explain it.
We were unable to verify the date of his return. He also traveled from Washington to San Francisco November 11, 1965, and returned January 13, 1966, while on the staff of Subcommittee 7. This is the only travel performed by Henderson and no subsistence was claimed for either of these trips, the second of which covered a period of 2 months.
Now, do you have an explanation for those two trips and as to why you did not claim subsistence?
A. Yes. Right here, if you will be kind enough to look on page 43 of the hearings of the "Antipoverty Program in New York City and Los Angeles," you will see in the hearings there, Mr. O'Connor, that my name is being mentioned as being present at those hearings.
Q. You are referring to a report of hearings before the Subcommittee on the War on Poverty Program, Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, 89th Congress, and you are calling the committee's specific attention to page 43 of said report entitled "Antipoverty Program in New York City and Los Angeles." And the hearings you referred to are Saturday, August 7, 1965?
Q. Indicated as present at those hearings are: Donald Anderson, counsel to the subcommittee; Will Henderson, minority counsel; Don Mitchell, Office of Economic Opportunity. Is that correct?
Q. Now, apparently we were unable to locate a claim for per diem or subsistence in connection with that. Could you explain that to us?
A. Yes, I will be very glad to. As I said before, I didn't take this as a paying job.. I came down here to help where I could help. So when I went out there, I was asked to stay over.
And that brought me into the Watts riots; and I went out there and covered the Watts riots and wrote a report on them. The result of it is that I didn't want to embarass anybody by having them, saying, well, you weren't entitled to have more days than that, so I just paid it out of my own pocket. In other words, I felt that you will notice my salary is minimal for somebody with 30 years of legislative experience. I felt that I had been willing to spend that salary to help where I needed to dig out facts.
Q. Did you travel out there with Mr. Anderson and the others or did you go out by yourself?
A. No, I went out-as I recall it, it is not too clear. As I recall it, we went out on a plane all together.
Q. You stayed out there and then you returned back by yourself; is that correct?
A. Yes; and then I returned back by myself.
Q. And you didn't claim any per diem or submit a voucher for subsistence?
A. No, I did not, because I didn't want to
Q. Now, on your second trip, which was November 11, 1965, until January 13, 1966, you went out to San Francisco, I believe?
A. Yes; but it wasn't to San Francisco. Where I went, I went to write an educational report. I went, directly when I got out there, to Palo Alto, to Stanford University, and here are checks and you will see from the hotel and you will notice that they are marked "Palo Alto, Calif."
Mr. O'CONNOR. Let the record show that the witness has handed me three checks drawn on Riggs National Bank, one dated November 18, 1965, payable to Hotel President, $50; another dated November 27, 1965, drawn on Riggs National Bank in the amount of—payable to President Hotel in the amount of $53.02; another dated December 1, 1965, on the Riggs National Bank, payable to President Hotel in the amount of $35.
Mr. DEVINE. Who is the maker on the checks?