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The WITNESS. There is no practical method of identifying the passenger and the ticket at the time of usage. From a sales standpoint, there is a form called a one-trip air travel order which, when a person who has a “Q” card, for example, wants to buy a ticket for someone other than himself, he can issue a one-trip air travel order which requires this individual to sign his name as having received that ticket. The ticket is issued to him and he signs for it for his transportation.
Mr. DICKINSON. It is a technical matter. Where would he sign this? Would he go to the ticket office himself and pick it up and sign for it right there?
The WITNESS. Yes. This could not prevent that person from giving the ticket to somebody else to use. The identification is still a problem.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Grayson, you said you seldom had inquiries of this type. Obviously you wouldn't have had this inquiry unless somebody brought this to our attention. They have made quite a thing of it and I don't criticize the person who did this. Would it be possible for the president of a small corporation having a "Q" card to buy a ticket for his wife and himself and put some other name on his wife's ticket and maybe some other name on his own and use it and as long as the corporation didn't inquire about it, you would have no reason to inquire, would you?
The WITNESS. That is right.
Mr. Hays. And unless it was brought to the attention of the person against whom the offense was committed, and they inquired of you, there would be no inquiry?
Mr. DICKINSON. If I have a ticket and it is for Eastern Airlines, and for some reason I missed the plane or decided to go at a different time and I wanted to go on American Airlines, I could take your ticket to the American counter. What do they do? They change that ticket, or do they issue a new ticket?
The WITNESS. It depends on the circumstances. Normally they will try to honor the ticket without changing it. If it is a rerouting, they will probably have to reissue it.
Mr. DICKINSON. What will they do with the original ticket of Eastern's?
The WITNESS. That would be used to support the sale transaction of the new ticket and then they would bill us.
Mr. DICKINSON. Would they send that ticket to you?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir. Not as an ATP transaction, but an interline ticket transaction.
Mr. DickINSON. Would this be true for Trans-Caribbean and all the major lines?
The WITNESS. Standard procedure.
Mr. DICKINSON. I am still trying to find somebody's missing tickets and I was wondering if this might be what happened to them?
The Witness. The problem of missing tickets is probably a great deal related to what you are referring to. The records we get from these other carriers when they bill us for these tickets, some of them are in numerical listings which are easily accessible. Some are just in groups of 200 with a billing wrapped around them and we have no numeric reference for those. We don't know whether this ticket was used as originally issued for transportation as issued, or whether it was honored by British Overseas, Pan American, Trans-Texas or whom, and in trying to locate this ticket we go to the most logical carrier who would have accepted that, based on routing, and if we don't find it we go through many carrier records to try to find it. That is the extent of the research which makes it difficult.
Mr. D!CKINSON. Many of these tickets we are looking for might have been exchanged and just lost
The WITNESS. Not lost. It is just a matter of locating them. For example, we honor 1.5 million tickets and sell 750,000 a month. The large number of ticket transactions-Mr. #ays. I am surprised you found as many as you did.
By Mr. TAYLER: Q. This extensive search you just described for tickets on other airlines, when the original purchase was made on Eastern, did you conduct that kind of a search for this committee?
A. Yes, sir. Not to the total extent of saying we have 130 carriers billing us, and we check every carrier.
Q. You just checked the most logical carrier in each instance?
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Mr. Grayson, these are executive sessions. I wonder if for the record you would identify the gentlemen who have accompanied you and their positions with Eastern Airlines?
A. Mr. John B. Warner, supervisor, air travel plan accounting. He is headquartered in Miami.
Mr. C. J. Powers, supervisor, passenger statistics, Miami.
Mr. RUSSELL. Mr. Chairman, may the record also show that the search that Mr. Grayson referred to was undertaken pursuant to the subpena requiring production of records?
Mr. Hays. The record will so show.
The WITNESS. I would like to say I appreciate the courtesy of the committee and Mr. O'Connor in taking us at this time, so hopefully we can get out of town before the snow gets us.
Mr. Hays. Mrs. Ellison, will you raise your right hand and be sworn?
Whereupon BETTY D. ELLISON, having been duly sworn, examined and testified as follows:
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. State your name and address for the record. A. Betty D. Ellison. My address is 108 Wilmington Place SW., Washington, D.C.
Mr. Hays. Mrs. Ellison, your appearance before this committee will be in executive session unless you request a public session. If your appearance is in executive session, the press and public will not be admitted to the hearing room and pursuant to paragraph 26, House of Representatives rule XI, your testimony may not be released or used in public session without the consent of the committee. If your appearance is in public session, the public and news reporters will be admitted. But television and news photographers will be excluded. I now ask you whether you choose to appear in executive session or public session.
The WITNESS. I choose to appear in executive session.
You have been informed that you could have counsel with you if you wanted to?
The WITNESS. No; I haven't.
Mr. Hays. I will then so inform you and if you desire counsel, we will give you time to obtain one. If you desire to proceed without it, we will proceed.
The WITNESS. I desire to proceed without counsel. Mr. Hays. Did you receive a copy of paragraph 26, rule XI, along with your letter?
The WITNESS. Yes, I did.
Mr. Hays. You were here when I read my opening statement yesterday?
The WITNESS. I was here.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
A. At the present time I am not working. I stopped working with the committee at the end of September because I had a baby and I had to stay home.
Q. September 1966?
Q. In connection with your duties was it necessary to travel?
Q. Mrs. Ellison, the reason you have been called before the committee is because when you were contacted in connection with the investigation you refused to give any information concerning that trip.
A. That is right.
Å. This year.
A. When I made the trip, when I got to New York, all I did was fill out some cards from a mailing list, calling a meeting. What kind of meeting, I do not know. Ali I did was type the names on the postal cards.
Q. What type of mailing list was it?
A. I do not know. I just had a list of names to type, names on the postal cards. I did not ask any questions.
Q. At what office was this typing done?
A. It was done in the office of his church because they had typewriters we could use.
Q. I think Mr. Powell had a congressional office at his church; did he not?
A. I do not know if he had a congressional office at his church or not. That is the first time I had been there. All I know, we were. there using the typewriters; that is all.
Q. How did you make the trip to New York?
A. Three other people: Odell Clark, Goldie Baldwin, Charles Jackson.
Q. On the way up did you discuss the purpose of the trip?
Q. In other words, you were just told to go to New York and nothing was said about what was going to happen after you got to New York?
A. That is right. I did not ask any questions.
A. We got there about 9 o'clock in the evening and we typed I guess around 12. It was too late to drive back so we stayed overnight.
Q. You came back the next day?
Q. You got allowance for car mileage and also per diem overnight and you claimed that?
Mr. Hays. Were they blank on the other side or was there a message on the other side or do you recall?
Mr. Hays. Were there very many cards?
Mr. Hays. How many would you say you personally typed?
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Mr. WAGGONNER. You say there was a message calling a meeting at a specified time and place. Was the card signed by anybody? Was there any indication in the message as to who was sending the card making an announcement of the meeting?
The WITNESS. The chairman's signature was on the cards.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Did he sign it as chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor?
The WITNESS. No; he just signed his name, "Adam C. Powell.”
The WITNESS. She has been with the committee for about 5 years.
Mr. NEDZI. Mr. Jackson?
The WITNESS. I do not know. I think he was a summer intern.
Mr. NEDZI. Did they drive back with you the following day?
The WITNESS. No; Mr. Clark did not come back with us. I did not know what his business was, but he did not come back with me.
Mr. NEDZI. Did they type?
Mr. Hays. Are there any further questions? If not, thank you very much, Mrs. Ellison. You are excused and are excused from the subpena.
JAMES STEINHAUER, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
Mr. Hays. Will you state for the record your full name,
The WITNESS. James Steinhauer.
The WITNESS. Regional manager, Western Union, Washington,
Mr. Hays. Your address, please?