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(The above-referred-to document was marked "Himes Exhibit 1" and received in evidence.)

A. No, sir; I did not use this ticket.

Q. The audit records also indicate that the person who used that ticket, which is in your name, traveled with Aurora Harris on that occasion, both up to New York and back. Did you ever make any trips with Miss Harris?

A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know whether or not Miss Harris made those trips?
A. I do not know.

Q. Mrs. Himes, the records also indicate that you made a trip from Washington to Miami on July 30, 1965, and returned on a date which is not indicated. That was on National Airlines. And that you traveled on those occasions with Mr. Stone, Miss Swann, Mr. Clark, Miss Lewis, and Mr. Powell. I ask you if you made such a trip on those dates?

A. No, Sir.

Q. I will show you what will be marked "Himes Exhibit No. 2,” being the ticket from Washington to Miami in your name and ask you if you used that.

A. No, sir.

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(The above-referred-to document was marked "Himes Exhibit 2" and received in evidence.)

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. This is also to be marked "Himes No. 2," the transportation request for the return portion of that Washington to Miami trip in your name. Did you ever make such a trip?

A. This is New York-Washington here. Q. Excuse me. I am going to hand you what will be marked "Himes No. 3,” being a transportation request for a shuttle flight between New York City and Washington on August 21, 1965, in your name.

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(The above-referred to document was marked "Himes Exhibit 3" and received in evidence.)

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Did you use that ticket, or the ticket issued against that request? A. No, sir.

Q. I show you what will be marked "Himes Exhibit No. 4,” being a ticket between Washington and New York for travel in your name on October 22, 1965.

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(The above-referred to document was marked "Himes Exhibit 4" and received in evidence.)

Q. I ask you if you used that ticket for that travel.
A. No, sir.

Q. I show you an Eastern Airline ticket in your name indicating travel between Miami and Washington, D.C., on October 30, 1965, Exhibit Himes No. 5.

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(The above-referred-to document was marked "Himes Exhibit No. 5" and received in evidence.)

Q. Did you make the travel indicated on that ticket?
A. No, sir.

Q. I now show you an airline ticket from Washington to New York in your name for travel on February 25, 1966, and I ask you if you made the travel indicated on that ticket. That will be Himes No. 6.

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(The above-referred-to document was marked "Himes Exhibit No. 6" and received in evidence.)

The WITNESS. No, sir.

Mr. Hays. Mrs. Himes, did you have any knowledge that your name was on these tickets?

The WITNESS. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Hays. Until today?

The WITNESS. I did not. I knew from the letter I received I was charged with these eight trips.

Mr. Hays. That is the first time you knew anything about it?
The WITNESS. No, sir.
Mr. Hays. You never heard it about the committee?
The WITNESS. No, sir.
Mr. Hays. They did it completely without your knowledge?
The WITNESS. That is right.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Do you have any information about the practice within the committee of listing employees as being travelers on airline tickets when in fact other persons were using those tickets?

A. No, sir; I do not have any personal knowledg of that.

Mr. Hays. You are satisfied from looking at these vouchers that your name was used ? The WJTNESS. Yes, sir; I see that it was.

Q. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. O'CONNOR. May I ask a few questions, Mr. Chairman?

Q. You are Mr. Stone's secretary and have been since
A. April 1965.
Q. You work right in the office with Mr. Stone?

A. I work in the back office in the workshop and Mr. Stone is in the administrative assistant's office.

Q. During the period that you have been up there, there has been a substantial number of airline tickets purchased by Mr. Stone.

A. Yes.
Q. Do you go over to the airline office to pick those tickets up?
A. No, sir.

Q. Who usually does that? A. Probably Walter Huber would normally. Q. Walter Huber? A. Yes. Q. He takes instructions directly from Mr. Stone in connection with that?

A. Yes. Q. Have you heard any conversations in the office about the use of your name and the names of other girls?

A. I was not aware that my name had been used.
Q. Were you aware that other names were being used?
A. Yes.
Q. Who made you aware of that?

A. In general conversation I would assume that other names were used but I cannot truthfully tell you who took trips.

Q. I am not talking about taking trips. I am talking about the names of other persons on tickets.

A. Yes.
Q. Did you hear that from Mr. Stone?
A. No, no.
Q. Who would you have heard it from?
A. I would just say in general discussions in the office.
Q. Between whom? You and Miss Harris?
A. Of course Miss Harris has not been there in quite some time.
Q. Who would you discuss this with over coffee?

A. This is very difficult to answer. I do not know how to answer that. We were all aware that various staff members' names were being used. I mean you cannot help but be aware because I made reservations in other staff people's names. But I really do not know how to answer what you are asking me.

Q. In other words, general office talk?
A. Yes. Of course, several of us made reservations.
Q. Do you recall Mr. Stone's trip to Bimini in August 1966?
A. In August?
Q. When he and his wife went down to Bimini?
A. Yes, I do.

Q. Was there discussion concerning this trip before he left on his vacation? Did you know he was going to Bimini?

A. I knew he was going to Bimini. I did not know it was called a vacation.

Q. You did not?
A. Are you saying this was vacation?

Q. I don't know. You were aware that he and his wife were going to Bimini?

A. I was aware they were going to Bimini.

Q. Were you aware that his wife was going to travel under the name of a staff member?

A. No, sir; I was not. As a matter of fact, I thought that was made in her name. Q. I have no further questions.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Mrs. Himes, in those instances where other staff members' names were placed on these tickets, and those staff members did not make the travel, do you know who made the travel?

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