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GENERAL PROVISIONS

EXPLANATION OF PROPOSED LANGUAGE CHANGES

Section 104. The change in the fiscal year is merely to conform to the budget year.

COST OF PLANNING, PROGRAMING, BUDGETING SYSTEM STAFF

Mr. DENTON. Mr. Secretary, you spoke about the new planning and budgeting program. All through these hearings we have been getting requests for additional funds for this activity.

First of all, it would be well to insert in the record at this point a tabulation of the increased costs included in the 1967 budget estimate for the Department related to this program.

Mr. CARVER. Yes, sir; we shall be glad to do that. (The tabulation follows:)

PLANNING AND PROGRAMING, BUDGETING STAFF

Salaries and expenses appropriation

Office of Program Analysis:

1 special position, Planning Director_. 1 GS-18 Director_-_.

4 GS-15 resource planning assistants-. 1 GS-9 statistical assistant_.

1 GS-7 secretary-.

2 GS-6 clerk-stenographers----

Total___ Lapse---

Total (10)‒‒.

Personnel benefits__.

Other objects---

Total, Office of Program Analysis----

5 GS-15 staff assistants to Assistant Secretary, salaries--Personnel benefits____

Other objects‒‒‒‒‒

Total (derived by transfer from Resources program staff).

Included in Bureau program:

6 GS-15 Resources planning assistants-Salaries--Personnel benefits---

$25, 382

25, 382 68, 770

7,479 6, 269 11, 404

11, 404

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144, 600 10,800 20, 100

175, 500

(85,600)

(6,400)

(4,000)

(96, 000)

102, 800 7,500

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Included in programs of following Bureaus: Sport Fisheries and
Wildlife, Commercial Fisheries, National Park Service, Indian
Affairs, Office of Territories, and Office of Water Resources

Research___.

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(110, 300)

Mr. DENTON. Describe for the committee just what is involved in this new method of budgeting that will increase the costs so extensively.

Mr. CARVER. I will say first, Mr. Chairman, that for our Department, at least, the increased costs are not so much increases but rather a focusing of existing authorizations on this function, although there are increases detailed in the list here.

The philosophy of this is detailed directly to us by the President. Fundamentally, it is to enable the Secretary to get better control of his whole Department. This involves the staffing at the Secretarial level of this program analysis function.

Mr. DENTON. I am asking why it costs so much more.

Mr. CARVER. It is entirely personnel. There is no other cost.

Mr. DENTON. How many people are there?

Mr. CARVER. Involved in our budget there is a total of 10, for the Assistant Secretaries there are 5 where no new positions or money are sought because it will come from the resources program staff. Mr. DENTON. It is to pay for 10 new people; is that it?

Mr. CARVER. At the Department level, yes, sir.

Mr. DENTON. That is 10 for the entire Department?

Mr. CARVER. Ten for the departmental level and six for the bu

reaus.

Mr. DENTON. What have you budgeted for the 10 employees?

Mr. CARVER. A total for the whole thing, including the six for the bureaus, comes to $285,800.

CHANGES IN BUDGET FORMAT

Mr. DENTON. To what extent will this program change the form of your budget request as submitted to this committee, as you envision it? Mr. CARVER. As we envision it for 1967 and 1968 there is no change. It is possible that for future years, I am sure, the committee will want to have the advantage of whatever new forms of presentation we have. Mr. DENTON. Invariably we are told new programs will save us money. They always cost more money and I never find out where they save money.

With this additional and more expensive attention being given to the budget formulation, I suppose this committee can expect a reduction in your budget estimates in the future. Is that right?

Mr. CARVER. I hate to promise because I do not think this is set up so much as a cost saving effort as it is for better management of the Department.

Mr. DENTON. With better management should there not be some economies and saving to the taxpayers?

Mr. CARVER. Yes.

Mr. DENTON. Can you tell us where we can expect these reductions? Mr. CARVER. The principal activity will be one which I detailed when I appeared before your committee with the Secretary, namely, a more severe analysis of the justification of existing programs to see whether they are obsolete or could be combined or more generally improved.

Mr. DENTON. If you cannot put your finger on any savings you think there will be some.

Mr. CARVER. I think it will result in considerable increased governmental efficiency.

Mr. DENTON. We can take a look at that in the future and see what happens.

Mr. CARVER. That is right.

EXPENDITURES FOR OFFICE OF SECRETARY, FISCAL YEARS 1961-1967

Mr. DENTON. I wish you would insert in the record at this point a tabulation indicating the expenditures of the Office of the Secretary for fiscal years 1961 through 1967. Of course, fiscal years 1966 and 1967 will be estimates. This tabulation should include by separate amounts funds available from direct appropriations and funds transferred from the various agencies to the Office of the Secretary with the gross total being listed for each year.

Mr. CARVER. Yes, sir.
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PERMANENT POSITIONS FOR OFFICE OF SECRETARY, FISCAL YEARS 1961-67

Mr. DENTON. We also would like you to insert in the record for the same period authorized personnel positions for the Office of the Secretary broken down by the various divisions. This tabulation should include the detail of personnel from other agencies, also.

Mr. CARVER. Yes, sir.

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1 This operating fund finances the functions which provide central services to all bureaus and offices of the Department such as reproduction, communications, supply, library, health, etc.

INCREASED PAY COSTS, FISCAL YEAR 1966 AND 1967

Mr. DENTON. In excess of $2.8 million of your 1967 budget estimate represents increased pay costs. In addition you are anticipating a supplemental in excess of $6.5 million for fiscal year 1966 pay cost.

Please insert in the record by bureau the total amount of increased pay cost for fiscal years 1966 and 1967 and indicate the amount you have absorbed in each bureau.

Mr. CARVER. Yes, sir.

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