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Typographical Union, International

Upholsterers' International Union of North America

Woodworkers of America, International

Women's Auxiliaries

One hundred and seven State, county, and city organizations which are delegate bodies representing workers from various industries and crafts, have contributed.

Eighty percent of all contributions were received from local unions representing the interest of rank-and-file workers in a Labor Extension Service.

These rank-and-file workers who have contributed live in 37 State, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. Wage and salary workers from all States, even the less populated and predominantly agricultural States, have written letters to this committee asking for this service.

MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE EXTENSION OF LABOR EDUCATION WHO WORKED WITH SPONSORS IN DRAFTING THE BILL

Dr. Caroline Ware, sociologist and economist, Vienna, Va.

Glenn Atkinson, education director, Brotherhood of Railway Clerks, Cincinnati, Ohio.

Kermit Eby, director of education and research, Congress of Industrial Organizations.

Arthur Elder, extension department, University of Michigan.

Marion H. Hedges, formerly with Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, AFL.
Emery Bacon, national staff representative, United Steelworkers of America, CIO.
Alan Strachan, temporarily with American Mission for Aid to Greece.
J. C. Turner, International Union of Operating Engineers.

Mr. McCOWEN. Shall we hear Frank L. Fernbach?

TESTIMONY OF FRANK L. FERNBACH, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE EXTENSION OF LABOR EDUCATION

Mr. McCOWEN. Mr. Fernbach, without objection your statement will be filed.

Mr. FERNBACH. Mr. Chairman, I am Frank L. Fernbach, vice chairman of the National Committee for the Extension of Labor Education, located at 2117 Pennsylvania Avenue NW., Washington, D. C. I appear in that capacity today, although I am also the CIO liaison representative to this committee and for 11 years have been on the staff of the United Steelworkers of America, ČIO, I continue to function as a national staff representative of that organization.

I want to say I have had an opportunity through personal experience to note the development of labor education in a great many parts of this country, particularly my own international, the steelworkers. Tomorrow we will present a 20-minute picture made jointly by the United Steelworkers of America and Penn State College, which I think will answer, as you see it projected before you, many of the questions raised here today, with regard to the type of instruction, the type of planning of these programs, and the quality of the instruction that is received.

I just want to add parenthetically that any university or collegecertainly Penn State, the University of Ohio, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, and others, are very jealous of the quality of their instruction and they would not allow, I do not believe, the development of a propaganda philosophy in terms of their teaching.

During the course of these hearings university presidents will appear before you. I think it would be of interest if you would address the question of "How you as a university college president, would safeguard democracy in education?" to those university officials. I myself graduated from the University of Wisconsin. I am satisfied we can have great faith in the quality of our democratic institutions of higher learning.

There is never absolute agreement, and there never could be such agreement on all questions. Obviously, the process of education and thought very often grows out of disagreement in the clashing of ideas. But labor, may I say frankly, in this program does not want propaganda. It essentially wants knowledge and facts.

The philosophy of this bill as labor sees it, all of labor, is that we must endeavor to substitute picket lines where possible, by the use of facts and reason.

We believe that in great areas this is possible.

I have a prepared statement which I would like to have read, because I think each question that has been raised today is touched i one respect or another by the brief that I have prepared.

However, I will forego reading it and introduce it into the record. I do want to make reference to, and introduce into the record, an article that appeared in Steel, which is the magazine of the metalworking and metal-producing industry. It speaks for the iron and steel industry. I think it is of interest that the employers in the great iron and steel industry talk and write about this bill in the most laudatory fashion. They compliment my international union, which is developing an educational program-in conjunction with the University of Indiana, if you please, the University of Michigan, the institutions of Ohio, Purdue University, Cornell College, Penn State, and many others on this approach that is being made. We need funds to extend this work tremendously, it must be extended for the good that is in it.

I present for your interest, the article from Steel entitled "Training Labor Leaders" that appeared in the March 22 edition, and which discusses the steel workers and specifically the purposes of this bill.

I want to cite one point they make, and that is simply this: That if through this bill-let us assume $10.000.000 were expended-to try to bring facts, reasons, and understanding, and if one single strike of 6 months' duration was prevented because of this bill, the Federal Treasury would be prevented from suffering a loss far more than the $10,000,000 invested to educate half a million labor union leaders, Nation-wide, through the prevention of this one particular strike.

May I also say that we of labor assume our own responsibility for the basic policies of the labor movement. It is not assumed that through the federally supported Agricultural Extension program, the Farmers Union, the Farm Bureau, or the Grange are going to ask that only their own farm policy be taught. In the Labor Extension Service bill it is an avoidance of propaganda that we desire and an ability on the part of the individual to understand factually the world in which he or she lives.

We had 1.500 steel workers at school last summer studying at 11 universities. We want to see 25,000 steel workers go to that type of institution for the good it will do them, industry, and the country.

Typographical Union, International

Upholsterers' International Union of North America

Woodworkers of America, International

Women's Auxiliaries

One hundred and seven State, county, and city organizations which are delegate bodies representing workers from various industries and crafts, have contributed.

Eighty percent of all contributions were received from local unions representing the interest of rank-and-file workers in a Labor Extension Service.

These rank-and-file workers who have contributed live in 37 State, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. Wage and salary workers from all States, even the less populated and predominantly agricultural States, have written letters to this committee asking for this service.

MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE EXTENSION OF LABOR EDUCATION WHO WORKED WITH SPONSORS IN DRAFTING THE BILL

Dr. Caroline Ware, sociologist and economist, Vienna, Va.

Glenn Atkinson, education director, Brotherhood of Railway Clerks, Cincinnati, Ohio.

Kermit Eby, director of education and research, Congress of Industrial Organizations.

Arthur Elder, extension department, University of Michigan.

Marion H. Hedges, formerly with Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, AFL.
Emery Bacon, national staff representative, United Steelworkers of America, CIO.
Alan Strachan, temporarily with American Mission for Aid to Greece.
J. C. Turner, International Union of Operating Engineers.

Mr. McCOWEN. Shall we hear Frank L. Fernbach?

TESTIMONY OF FRANK L. FERNBACH, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE EXTENSION OF LABOR EDUCATION

Mr. McCOWEN. Mr. Fernbach, without objection your statement will be filed.

Mr. FERNBACH. Mr. Chairman, I am Frank L. Fernbach, vice chairman of the National Committee for the Extension of Labor Education, located at 2117 Pennsylvania Avenue NW., Washington, D. C. I appear in that capacity today, although I am also the CIO liaison representative to this committee and for 11 years have been on the staff of the United Steelworkers of America, CIO, I continue to function as a national staff representative of that organization.

I want to say I have had an opportunity through personal experience to note the development of labor education in a great many parts of this country, particularly my own international, the steelworkers. Tomorrow we will present a 20-minute picture made jointly by the United Steelworkers of America and Penn State College, which I think will answer, as you see it projected before you, many of the questions raised here today, with regard to the type of instruction, the type of planning of these programs, and the quality of the instruction that is received.

I just want to add parenthetically that any university or college— certainly Penn State, the University of Ohio, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, and others, are very jealous of the quality of their instruction and they would not allow, I do not believe, the development of a propaganda philosophy in terms of their teaching.

During the course of these hearings university presidents will appear before you. I think it would be of interest if you would address the question of "How you as a university college president, would safeguard democracy in education?" to those university officials. I myself graduated from the University of Wisconsin. I am satisfied we can have great faith in the quality of our democratic institutions of higher learning.

There is never absolute agreement, and there never could be such agreement on all questions. Obviously, the process of education and thought very often grows out of disagreement in the clashing of ideas. But labor, may I say frankly, in this program does not want propaganda. It essentially wants knowledge and facts.

The philosophy of this bill as labor sees it, all of labor, is that we must endeavor to substitute picket lines where possible, by the use of facts and reason.

We believe that in great areas this is possible.

I have a prepared statement which I would like to have read, because I think each question that has been raised today is touched i one respect or another by the brief that I have prepared.

However, I will forego reading it and introduce it into the record. I do want to make reference to, and introduce into the record, an article that appeared in Steel, which is the magazine of the metalworking and metal-producing industry. It speaks for the iron and steel industry. I think it is of interest that the employers in the great iron and steel industry talk and write about this bill in the most laudatory fashion. They compliment my international union, which is developing an educational program-in conjunction with the University of Indiana, if you please, the University of Michigan, the institutions of Ohio, Purdue University, Cornell College, Penn State, and many others-on this approach that is being made. We need funds to extend this work tremendously, it must be extended for the good that is in it.

I present for your interest, the article from Steel entitled "Training Labor Leaders" that appeared in the March 22 edition, and which discusses the steelworkers and specifically the purposes of this bill.

I want to cite one point they make, and that is simply this: That if through this bill-let us assume $10,000,000 were expended-to try to bring facts, reasons, and understanding, and if one single strike of 6 months' duration was prevented because of this bill, the Federal Treasury would be prevented from suffering a loss far more than the $10,000,000 invested to educate half a million labor union leaders, Nation-wide, through the prevention of this one particular strike.

May I also say that we of labor assume our own responsibility for the basic policies of the labor movement. It is not assumed that through the federally supported Agricultural Extension program, the Farmers Union, the Farm Bureau, or the Grange are going to ask that only their own farm policy be taught. In the Labor Extension Service bill it is an avoidance of propaganda that we desire and an ability on the part of the individual to understand factually the world in which he or she lives.

We had 1.500 steel workers at school last summer studying at 11 universities. We want to see 25,000 steel workers go to that type of institution for the good it will do them, industry, and the country.

Typographical Union, International

Upholsterers' International Union of North America

Woodworkers of America, International

Women's Auxiliaries

One hundred and seven State, county, and city organizations which are delegate bodies representing workers from various industries and crafts, have contributed.

Eighty percent of all contributions were received from local unions representing the interest of rank-and-file workers in a Labor Extension Service.

These rank-and-file workers who have contributed live in 37 State, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. Wage and salary workers from all States, even the less populated and predominantly agricultural States, have written letters to this committee asking for this service.

MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE EXTENSION OF LABOR EDUCATION WHO WORKED WITH SPONSORS IN DRAFTING THE BILL

Dr. Caroline Ware, sociologist and economist, Vienna, Va.

Glenn Atkinson, education director, Brotherhood of Railway Clerks, Cincinnati, Ohio.

Kermit Eby, director of education and research, Congress of Industrial Organizations.

Arthur Elder, extension department, University of Michigan.

Marion H. Hedges, formerly with Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, AFL.
Emery Bacon, national staff representative, United Steelworkers of America, CIO.
Alan Strachan, temporarily with American Mission for Aid to Greece.
J. C. Turner, International Union of Operating Engineers.

Mr. McCOWEN. Shall we hear Frank L. Fernbach?

TESTIMONY OF FRANK L. FERNBACH, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE EXTENSION OF LABOR EDUCATION

Mr. McCOWEN. Mr. Fernbach, without objection your statement will be filed.

Mr. FERNBACH. Mr. Chairman, I am Frank L. Fernbach, vice chairman of the National Committee for the Extension of Labor Education, located at 2117 Pennsylvania Avenue NW., Washington, D. C. I appear in that capacity today, although I am also the CIO liaison representative to this committee and for 11 years have been on the staff of the United Steelworkers of America, ČIO, I continue to function as a national staff representative of that organization.

I want to say I have had an opportunity through personal experience to note the development of labor education in a great many parts of this country, particularly my own international, the steelworkers. Tomorrow we will present a 20-minute picture made jointly by the United Steelworkers of America and Penn State College, which I think will answer, as you see it projected before you, many of the questions raised here today, with regard to the type of instruction, the type of planning of these programs, and the quality of the instruction that is received.

I just want to add parenthetically that any university or college-certainly Penn State, the University of Ohio, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, and others, are very jealous of the quality of their instruction and they would not allow, I do not believe, the development of a propaganda philosophy in terms of their teaching.

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