Senator WHEELER. Whereabouts? Miss STINSON. In Mr. McLean's home. Senator WHEELER. Ed. McLean? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir Senator WHEELER. What have you to say as to whether or not the expenses of keeping the room at the Wardman Park Hotel were borne by Jess Smitth, or by whom? Miss STINSON. Equally between Harry Daugherty and Jess Smith. Senator WHEELER. Equally between them. Now, after he came to Washington what have you to say as to your allowances being increased or decreased? Miss STINSON. Increased. Senator WHEELER. Increased? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. And did he make any money that you know of? Did he receive any salary from the Government? Miss STINSON. No, sir. Senator WHEELER. Did he make any money that you know of outside of the store? Miss STINSON. Do you mean locally at Washington Court House? Senator WHEELER. No; in Washington. Miss STINSON. Yes. Senator WHEELER. Just tell the committee how the money was made? Tell of your different conversations? Miss STINSON. In reference to what? Senator WHEELER. In reference to deals that were made. Miss STINSON. I was present when some deals were discussed. Miss STINSON. The Carpentier-Dempsey fight picture. Senator MOSES. Discussed by whom? Miss STINSON. Well, this was in Atlantic City, and he discussed this. Senator ASHURST. Discussed by whom, madam? Miss STINSON. Mr. Smith. He was discussing that with me. Perhaps I did not state myself very clearly. And he was interested in this picture. We went to see it a couple of times, and he told me of his interest in the picture, and that he had a big thing. Senator WHEELER. Did he say who else was interested? Miss STINSON. He said, "We have a big thing." Senator WHEELER. Referring to whom? Miss STINSON. The same party always. Senator WHEELER, Who is that? Miss STINSON. Mr. Daugherty. Senator MOSES. Did he say Mr. Daugherty? Miss STINSON. He said "We." We never discussed anybody else but Mr. Daugherty. Once in a while Mr. Ned McLean; but his name was mentioned specifically. Mr. HOWLAND. Would it be permissible for me to ask the witness to state in connection with that, Mr. Wheeler-I beg your pardonSenator Wheeler Senator WHEELER. You need not beg my pardon. Mr. HOWLAND (continuing). Whether Mr. Daugherty's name was mentioned in this connection? Senator MOSES. I asked the witness that, and she said, as I understood it, that her husband said "we," without mentioning Mr. Daugherty. Mr. HOWLAND. All right. Senator WHEELER. But you also said, as I understood it, that when he used the word "we" it was always referring to Harry Daugherty, because you did not discuss anybody else excepting Ned McLean, and when you discussed McLean he mentioned McLean's name. Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. Now, what was the conversation? Miss STINSON. I could not understand his enthusiasm over the picture. Probably it is not relative much, but he said it was so much better than the real fight, so much more enjoyable; that it had seen it personally. Senator WHEELER. What did he say about the money end of it? Miss STINSON. And he discussed that we had a big thing if this could be put over-a concession-I mean the rights to display it; that it meant a lot of money. He even mentioned a sum of money. Senator WHEELER. Do you remember what it was? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. What was it? Miss STINSON. He said it would be about $180,000. Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. Was that to be for him or for himself and his associates? Miss STINSON. He said "we.' It was not for him alone. Miss STINSON. No. Senator WHEELER. When he said it was to be for "we," you understood it to mean that it was for Harry Daugherty? Miss STINSON. There might have been some others in it; but whenever we discussed anything of that sort it referred to Mr. Daugherty. Senator JONES of Washington. Did he not include you in the term "we"? Miss STINSON. No sir. I did not know anything about it. Senator JONES of Washington. Let me get this clear. This all occurred after your divorce? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator JONES of Washington. But you lived after that practically as man and wife? Miss STINSON. No, sir; not one minute. Senator JONES of Washington. Well, you visited each other, did you not? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. I did not visit him-pardon me-he visited me. I had a home and he had a home; perfectly conventional. Senator WHEELER. What have you to say as to whether or not you were to be married to him? Were you to be married to him? Miss STINSON. I do not care to answer that. Senator WHEELER. With reference to different appointments that were made by the Attorney General, were those ever discussed with Mr. Smith and yourself? Miss STINSON. Well, we were bothered to death by persons seeking appointments, always. Senator WHEELER. And you mentioned some stock transactions. Will you just tell the committee about those stock transactions, and what you know of them. Senator MOSES. And when they took place. Senator WHEELER. Yes. Miss STINSON. Well, I was given stock to put on the market quickly and quietly. Senator WHEELER. I did not quite catch that. Senator ASHURST. There is so much confusion in the room, and you speak so softly. Senator WHEELER. Yes. Will you repeat that. Miss STINSON. I was given stock to put on the market quickly and quietly. Senator MOSES. And when was this? Miss STINSON. I can not give you the exact dates. I haven't my ledgers with me, Senator MOSES. Well, approximately. Miss STINSON. At different times. Senator MOSES. Beginning from the time of the election in 1920? Miss STINSON. From the inauguration, do you mean? Senator MOSES. No. Miss STINSON. From the time of the inauguration up until his death. Senator MOSES. No; you testified earlier, if I remember, about Mr. Smith having the possession of stocks in the period between the election in November, 1920 Miss STINSON (interposing). I don't remember making a statement like that. I beg your pardon. Senator MOSES (continuing). And the inauguration. Well, I understood that Mr. Smith had stocks following the election? Miss STINSON. No; I didn't say that. Pardon me. Senator MOSES. Well, that was my recollection. Miss STINSON. No, sir. Senator MOSES. Now, let me get it straight. Mr. Smith had these stocks; he gave evidences of more money Miss STINSON (interposing). That is it. Senator MOSES (continuing). Following the inauguration? Miss STINSON. He had evidence of more money, as I stated previously, I think you will find, after the election. Money, not stocks. Senator MOSES. Money? Miss STINSON. Yes. Senator MOSES. And the stocks he had possession of after the inauguration? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. As a matter of fact Miss STINSON. At least, I wasn't given any stocks until after that. That is what I am referring to. Things I know. Senator MOSES. And these stocks were given to you pretty soon after the inauguration? Miss STINSON. I can not give you the days or dates. My ledgers are not here. I don't like to commit myself without them. I don't remember. Senator WHEELER. She will give you the dates when she has the ledgers. Miss STINSON. I will give you the dates. Senator WHEELER. And you sold those stocks, did you not? Senator WHEELER. And where were they sold? Miss STINSON. Landen & Vercoe Co., Columbus, Ohio. Senator ASHURST. What is the spelling? Miss STINSON. V-e-r-c-o-e. L-a-n-d-e-n: I think it is "e." Senator WHEELER. And were any of them sold to any other stock market? Miss STINSON. These particular stocks? Senator WHEELER. Yes. Miss STINSON. By me? Senator WHEELER. Yes. Miss STINSON. No; not by me. Senator. WHEELER. What were the stocks! Miss STINSON. White Motors. Senator WHEELER. What is that? Miss STINSON. White Motors. Senator WHEELER. Now, was the White Motors one of the stocks that you were told to sell quickly and quietly? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. How many of them, White Motors? Senator ASHURST. Who told her to sell them quiety and quickly? Senator WHEELER. Who told you to sell them quietly and quickly? Miss STINSON. Jess Smith. Senator WHEELER. And did you sell them for yourself or for Jess Smith? Miss STINSON. I sold them for myself. Senator JONES of Washington. That is, you sold them in your own name? Miss STINSON. Yes. Senator WHEELER. Now, how much of that White Motors stock did he give you? Miss STINSON. Twenty-five shares. Senator WHEELER. And how was it made out, to whom? Miss STINSON. In blank. Senator WHEELER. In blank? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. Now, in order that the committee can understand, on the face of the certificates, as you recall it, there was a place for the name of the person to whom the stock was issued? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator WHEELER. Was that filled in? Miss STINSON. No, sir. Senator WHEELER. And did the stock bear any other indorsements? Miss STINSON. No, sir. Senator WHEELER. In other words, when the stock came to you it was stock that had been issued directly from the company and had not been indorsed by anybody else? Miss STINSON. Yes. sir. Senator WHEELER. Now what have you to say as to whether or not you discussed that stock proposition with Mr. Smith? Miss STINSON. Naturally. Senator WHEELER. Yes. Well now, what did he say about it? Senator WHEELER. He said it didn't cost them anything. And by "them" who did he have reference to? Miss STINSON. The topic of conversation, Mr. Daugherty. Senator JONES of Washington. Well, now, did he never use Mr. Daugherty's name? Miss STINSON. Oh, loads of times, yes. Senator JONES of Washington. Repeat that. Miss STINSON. Yes; lots of times, yes. He referred to Harry Daugherty all the time. But you asked me a specific sentence, that his name didn't appear in that particular sentence, although the conversation proceeding that was about this, you understand. I am giving you literally. Senator JONES of Washington. Did he mention to you Mr. Daugherty's name in connection with this stock? Miss STINSON. In connection with this topic, yes; but this particular sentence that I am issuing, his name was not in that sentence. Senator JONES of Washington. Do not confine yourself to particular sentences; give all the conversations and all the talk. Miss STINSON. I would have a lot of talk before I get through if I did that. Senator ASHURST. Did Mr. Smith in relation to the White Motors stock that he had received mention Mr. Daugherty as having reIceived the White Motors stock also? Miss STINSON. He said that they had gotten it, that it had not cost them anything. Senator WHEELER. And during the conversation in which he told you that, he had previously been talking about Harry Daugherty? Miss STINSON. Oh, yes; we had been discussing that. Senator JONES of Washington. And talking about his interest in this stock? Miss STINSON. We had been talking about their general interests in everything, as we always did. That is the first thing we talked about and the last thing. Senator JONES of Washington. When he turned this stock over to you did he then talk to you specifically about Mr. Daugherty's interest in this particular stock? Miss STINSON. He didn't say that he had interest in this, that he had in this specific 25 shares that he handed me, but it had been without costing them anything. He had stock beside of his own which was not include in this. I am talking about my own, you understand. Senator JONES of Washington. And in this conversation, did he mention Mr. Daugherty's interest? Miss STINSON. Yes, sir. Senator JONES of Washington. In the stock of this company? Senator WHEELER. Only as obtaining it? Senator JONES of Washington. Yes. Senator WHEELER. In other words, when he mentioned the stock he talked about Harry Daugherty having received some of this stock? |