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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
EDWARD T. TAYLOR, Colorado, Chairman CLARENCE CANNON, Missouri
JOHN TABER, New York CLIFTON A. WOODRUM, Virginia RICHARD B WIGGLESWORTH, Massachusetts LOUIS LUDLOW, Indiana
WILLIAM P. LAMBERTSON, Kansas THOMAS S. MCMILLAN, South Carolina D. LANE POWERS, New Jersey MALCOLM C. TARVER, Georgia
J. WILLIAM DITTER, Pennsylvania JED JOHNSON, Oklahoma
ALBERT E. CARTER, California J. BUELL SNYDER, Pennsylvania
ROBERT F. RICH, Pennsylvania JAMES MCANDREWS, Illinois
CHARLES A, PLUMLEY, Vermont EMMET O'NEAL, Kentucky
EVERETT M. DIRKSEN, Illinois
KARL STEFAN, Nebraska
DUDLEY A. WHITE, Ohio
MARCELLUS C. SHIELD, Clerk
SUBCOMMITTEE ACTING UNDER HOUSE RESOLUTION 130
EDWARD T. TAYLOR, Colorado, Chairman CLIFTON A. WOODRUM, Virginia JOHN TABER, New York CLARENCE CANNON, Missouri
RICHARD B. WIGGLESWORTH, Massachusetts LOUIS LUDLOW, Indiana
WILLIAM P. LAMBERTSON, Kansas
J. O'CONNOR ROBERTS, Counsel
LIBRARY OF CONGRESS
JUL 7 - 1939
INVESTIGATION AND STUDY OF WORKS PROGRESS
HEARINGS CONDUCTED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE, MESSRS. EDWARD
T. TAYLOR (CHAIRMAN), CLIFTON A. WOODRUM, CLARENCE CANNON, LOUIS LUDLOW, THOMAS S. MCMILLAN, J. BUELL SNYDER, EMMET O'NEAL, GEORGE W. JOHNSON, JOHN TABER, RICHARD B. WIGGLESWORTH, WILLIAM P. LAMBERTSON, AND J. WILLIAM DITTER, OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, ACTING UNDER HOUSE RESOLUTION 130 ON THE DAYS FOLLOWING, NAMELY:
TUESDAY, APRIL 11, 1939. 2 WORKS PROGRESS ADMINISTRATION STATEMENTS OF COL. F. C. HARRINGTON, ADMINISTRATOR; AC
COMPANIED BY H. 0. HUNTER, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR; CORRINGTON GILL, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR; F. R. RAUCH, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR; DALLAS W. DORT, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR; AND FRANK H. DRYDEN, REGIONAL DIRECTOR
The CHAIRMAN. We will begin this morning the investigation authorized under House Resolution No. 130, adopted March 27, 1939, a copy of which I shall insert at this time:
[H. Res. 130, 76th Cong., 1st sess.)
RESOLUTION Resolved, That for the purpose of obtaining information necessary as a basis for legislation the Committee on Appropriations, as a whole or by subcommittee, is authorized and directed to conduct a thorough investigation and study of the Works Progress Administration and the administration of laws, regulations, and orders administered by it.
The committee shall report to the House as soon as practicable during the present Congress the results of its investigations, together with such recommendations for legislation as it deems desirable.
For the purposes of this resolution the committee, or any subcommittee thereof, is authorized to sit and act during the present Congress at such times and places within the United States, whether or not the House is sitting, has recessed, or has adjourned, to hold such hearings, to require the attendance of such witnesses and the production of such books, papers, and documents, and to take such testimony, as it deems necessary. Subpenas may be issued under the signature of the chairman of the subcommittee or any member designated by him, and may be served by any person designated by such chairman or member. The chairman of the committee or any member thereof may administer oaths to witnesses. Every person who, having been summoned as a witness by
authority of said committee or any subcommittee thereof, willfully makes default, or who, having appeared, refuses to answer any questions pertinent to the matter herein authorized, shall be held to the penalties provided by section 102 of the Revised Statutes of the United States, as amended (U, S. C., 1934 edition, title 2, sec. 192).
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Woodrum will proceed with the questioning.
Mr. WOODRUM. Colonel, we wanted to ask you a few questions today.
(See p. 14)
In the first place, the committee would like to know the status of your reports on your survey.
Colonel HARRINGTON. The need survey?
Colonel HARRINGTON. May I ask Mr. Rauch to give you that? He is handling that for me.
Mr. Rauch. In acordance with the requirements of Public Resolution No. 1 providing that this review of need be made, the instructions as shown on page 10 of the House hearings of March 15, 1939, were sent out. At that time Colonel Harrington testified that the reports under the resolution of the investigation of need were not as yet available, but that in his opinion the number not found in need would be less than 3 percent. Official reports which are now available show that 1.3 percent of relief employees on W. P. A. projects were found to be not in need by this investigation, and were dropped from the program for that reason.
A total of 2,931,922 cases were reviewed, and the number found not in need canceled for that reason was 37,523.
After consulting with all of the members of the regional staffs that had to do with the review, and in addition a large majority of the social workers employed by the Works Progress Administration in the States, it is the carefully considered opinion that that review of need was well done and that it accomplished the purpose of validating the eligibility for employment of persons now employed on W. P. A.
Mr. WOODRUM. And you tell us now that the relief rolls as presently constituted contain practically no persons to be found not in need.
Mr. Rauch. Of persons employed under relief status on W. P. A. there are, with some few exceptions of course, practically no persons who are not in need of relief.
Mr. WOODRUM. That applies to all sections of the country, and to all cities and municipalities. Mr. Rauch. To the best of our knowledge.
Mr. WOODRUM. So, in proceeding with this inquiry, can it be understood that the relief rolls as they now stand have the approval of the Works Progress Administration, insofar as the relief needs are concerned ?
Mr. RAUCH. We believe they are valid.
Mr. RAUCH. It was made in various ways. It was made first by submitting a form to each person.
The CHAIRMAN. A questionnaire?
Mr. RAUCH. Yes; I will be glad to do that, but copies of all those forms are already in the record of the previous hearing.
Mr. TABER. Very well.
Mr. O'NEAL. What is your definition of a person in need, so as to be eligible for relief employment !
Mr. Rauch. A person in need, to be definitely eligible for employment on the Works Program must be employable and if there were not a Federal work-relief program in operation would be forced to depend on relief from local relief agencies where there is any.
Mr. O'NEAL. Is that implying that they have no social income whatsoever.
Mr. Rauch. No, sir; that means he has a very limited source of income.
Mr. SNYDER. He may have ?
Mr. O'NEAL. What would be the amount of income and what would the amount be limited by to qualify him as eligible for W. P. A. relief?
Mr. RAUCH. It varies.
Mr. O'NEAL. Take a family, say, with a man and wife and two children, or one child, or three or four children.
Mr. RAUCH. I do not quite understand your question.
Mr. O'NEAL. What would be your requirements for an income for a man with a wife and no children, or with 1 child, 2 children, 3 or 4 children? What is your basis for that?
Mr. Rauch. The basis is established by the local relief agencies, as these persons are all certified as being eligible by the local relief agencies, if they determine
Mr. O'NEAL (interposing). I know; but you made the investigation as to those who are entitled to relief under W. P. A., and the point at which I am trying to arrive is what is the basis for that, where there is some income?
Mr. Ratch. Obviously, if their income is in excess of the monthly earnings, that they would get from W. P. A., they would not be eligible.
Mr. O'NEAL. If it were $5 less they would still be eligible for work, or for relief?
Mr. RAUCH. Not necessarily.
Mr. RAUCH. The local relief agencies of the States set the standards.
Mr. O'NEAL. You have made the investigation; and what I am trying to get at is your basis for determining eligibility, and your statement that there is a negligible number of people not in need. What was your yardstick?