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THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1981

Niskanen, Dr. William A., member, President's Council of Economic Advisers, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Robert Nagle, executive director, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation

Givens, Harrison Jr., senior vice president, Equitable Life Assurance Society, New York City, accompanied by George Pantos, counsel, representing ERISA Industry Committee (ERIĆ) and Irvine H. Dearnley, vice president, Citibank, N.A.; New York; accompanied by Claudia Vine, National Association of Manufacturers, representing the National Association of Manufacturers, a panel.........

Duzak, Thomas, Pension Department, Washington, D.C., accompanied by John J. Sheehan, legislative director and S. Howard Kline, counsel for employment benefits, Pittsburgh, Pa....

Treacy, James B., chairman and chief executive officer, Facet Enterprises, Inc., Tulsa, Okla., accompanied by James R. Malone, president and chief operating officer; Harris Weinstein, Esq., counsel; and John Vine, Esq., counsel, Covington and Burling

Miller, Hilary B., chairman of the board, Alloytek, Inc., New York, N.Y. Williams, Russell L., president, Agricultural Producers, Los Angeles, Calif., on behalf of Citrus-Avocado Pension Trust, accompanied by Janed Clark, manager; Maurice Simmons, actuary; and Leon Gordon, Esq., counsel......... Jackson, Paul H., consultant to the National Small Business Association, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Carl A. Beck, president, Charles Beck Machine Corp., King of Prussia, Pa..

TUESDAY, JANUARY 26, 1982

Donovan, Hon. Raymond J., Secretary, Department of Labor, accompanied by
T. Timothy Ryan, Solicitor; Donald L. Dotson, Assistant Secretary for
Labor-Management Services Administration; and Jeffrey Clayton, Adminis-
trator, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.......

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Lugar, Hon. Richard G., a U.S. Senator from the State of Indiana. Harris, Morton A., president, Small Business Council of America, Inc., accompanied by Harry V. Lamon, Jr., of the law firm of Page, Scrantom, Harris, McGlamry and Chapman, Columbus, Ga.; Scott J. Macey, American Telephone and Telegraph Co., Basking Ridge, N.J., representing the ERISA Industry Committee, accompanied by George Pantos of the law firm of Vedder, Price, Kaufman, Kammholz and Day, Washington, DC., a panel...... 777 Levins, Marvin A., senior vice president, group pension and reinsurance operations, Connecticut General Life Insurance Co., Hartford, Conn., on behalf of the American Council of Life Insurance; Charles A. Moran, senior vice president, Manufacturers Trust Co., chairman of employee benefits service committee, American Bankers Association, New York City, N.Y., on behalf of the American Bankers Association; and Theodore R. Groom, Esq., Groom and Nordberg, Washington, D.C., on behalf of the Prudential Life Insurance Co. of America, the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Co., Connecticut General Life Insurance Co., and Aetna Life and Casualty, a panel. Zaleznick, Steven, legislative representative, American Association of Retired Persons, Washington, D.C.; Stephen R. Bruce, deputy director, Pension Rights Center, Washington, D.C.; and Michael S. Gordon, law firm of Mittleman and Gordon, Washington, D.C., a panel Johnson, Douglas E., vice president for corporate planning, Chase Home Mortgage Corp., Montvale, N.J., on behalf of the Mortgage Bankers Association of America; Steven P. Doehler, staff vice president, Mortgage Insurance Companies of America; Stuart M. Lewis, Esq., Silverstein and Mullens, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Deborah I. Miller, on behalf of the National Association of Home Builders, a panel.

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STATEMENTS

American Academy of Actuaries, prepared statement...
American Bankers Association, Charles A. Moran, senior vice president, Man-
ufacturers Hanover Trust Co., on behalf of, prepared statement...
American Bar Association, E. Charles Eichenbaum and James T. O'Hara,
chairmen, standing committee on retirement of lawyers, prepared state-
ment...

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American Council of Life Insurance and the Health Insurance Association of
America, Richard H. Loeber, on behalf of, prepared statement......
American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, Ray
Denison, director, department of legislation, prepared statement..
American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, A. J. Capelli, chairman,
prepared statement..

statement.

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American Land Title Association, Fred B. Fromhold, president, prepared

American Optometric Association, James W. Clark, Jr., director, Washington office, prepared statement.

635

American Podiatry Association, Herbert Rothfeld, DPM, president, prepared

statement.

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American Psychological Association and the Association for the Advancement of Psychology, prepared statement..

654

American Society of Pension Actuaries, Vincent Rubino, vice chairman, government affairs committee, prepared statement

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American Society for Personnel Administration, James H. Ferguson, vice president, government affairs, prepared statement

647

American Trucking Associations, Inc., Bennett C. Whitlock, Jr., president, prepared statement..

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Associated Builders and Contractors, prepared statement.

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Associated General Contractors of America, Edward P. Clarke, on behalf of, prepared statement.....

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Association of Advanced Life Underwriting and the National Association for
Life Underwriters, joint prepared statement.
Atlantic Richfield Co., W. M. Read, senior vice president, prepared statement..
Baker, John W., executive director, National Association of Pension Consult-
ants and Administrators, Inc., Atlanta, Ga., and Frederick D. Hunt, Jr.,
executive director, Society of Professional Benefit Administrators, Washing-
ton, D.C........

Prepared statement

Central States, Southeast and Southwest Areas Pension Fund, George W.
Lehr, executive director, prepared statements on S. 1541 and S. 1678.....
Clarke, Edward P., vice president of operations, Turner Construction Co., New
York N.Y., representing the Associated General Contractors of America,
and accompanied by Dennis M. Bradshaw and Dan Kenise, AGC staff
Donovan, Hon. Raymond J., Secretary, Department of Labor, accompanied by
T. Timothy Ryan, Solicitor; Donald L. Dotson, Assistant Secretary for
Labor-Management Services Administration; and Jeffrey Clayton, Adminis-
trator, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.

Duzak, Thomas, Pension Department, Washington, DC., accompanied by
John J. Sheehan, legislative director and S. Howard Kline, counsel for
employment benefits, Pittsburgh, Pa...

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Erlenborn, Hon. John N., a Representative in Congress from the State of
Illinois......

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Prepared statement (with attachments)

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Financial Executives Institute, Jack R. Anderson, chairman, committee on
employee benefits, prepared statement
Frost, Hon. Martin, prepared statement

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Georgine, Robert A., chairman, National Coordinating Committee for Multiemployer Plans, accompanied by Jack Curran, legislative director; and Peter Schmidt, legal counsel.

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Givens, Harrison Jr., senior vice president, Equitable Life Assurance Society, New York City, accompanied by George Pantos, counsel, representing ERISA Industry Committee (ERIC) and Irvine H. Dearnley, vice president, Citibank, N.A., New York; accompanied by Claudia Vine, National Association of Manufacturers, representing the National Association of Manufacturers, a panel....

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Prepared statement

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Supplemental statement.

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Gordon, Michael S., partner, law firm of Mittleman and Gordon, prepared

statement.

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Gorton, Hon. Slade, a U.S. Senator from the State of Washington.
Prepared statement

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Greenough, William C., Ph. D., chairman, Subcommittee on Retirement
Policy, Committee for Economic Development, New York, N.Y

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Prepared statement

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Groom, Theodore R., member, law firm of Groom and Nordberg, prepared statement (with attachments)....

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Groom, Theodore R., member, law firm of Groom and Nordberg, prepared statement (with attachments)-Continued

Hacking, James M., assistant legislative counsel, American Association of Retired Persons, National Retired Teachers Association, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Steve Zaleznick; Kathy H. Wilson, National chair, National Women's Political Caucus, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Carol Bros; and Karen W. Ferguson, director, Pension Rights Center, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Stephen Bruce, deputy director and staff attorney, a panel.. Prepared statement (with attachment)...

Harris, Morton A., president, Small Business Council of America, Inc., accompanied by Harry V. Lamon, Jr., of the law firm of Page, Scrantom, Harris, McGlamry and Chapman, Columbus, Ga.; Scott J. Macey, American Telephone and Telegraph Co., Basking Ridge, N.J., representing the ERISA Industry Committee, accompanied by George Pantos of the law firm of Vedder, Price, Kaufman, Kammholz and Day, Washington, D.C., a panel ........ Prepared statement

Hart, Jeff R., executive director, Association of Private Pension and Welfare Plans, Inc., Washington, D.C., accompanied by Gary Quintiere, legal counsel.

Prepared statement

Hatch, Hon. Orrin G., a U.S. Senator from the State of Utah, prepared
statement.

International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Imple-
ment Workers of America, UAW, prepared statement
Investment Company Institute, prepared statement.

Jackson, Paul H., consultant to the National Small Business Association,
Washington, D.C., accompanied by Carl A. Beck, president, Charles Beck
Machine Corp., King of Prussia, Pa
Prepared statement

James, Robert L., vice president, finance/treasurer, Chemtech Industries, Inc.,
St. Louis, Mo., representing Compensation and Capital, Inc., Chicago, Ill.,
accompanied by Davis H. Roenisch, actuary, Compensation and Capital, Inc;
and Morton A. Harris, president, Small Business Council of America, Inc.,
Columbus, Ga., a panel

Prepared statement

Johnson, Douglas E., vice president for corporate planning, Chase Home Mortgage Corp., Montvale, N.J., on behalf of the Mortgage Bankers Association of America; Steven P. Doehler, staff vice president, Mortgage Insurance Companies of America; Stuart M. Lewis, Esq., Silverstein and Mullens, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Deborah I. Miller, on behalf of the National Association of Home Builders, a panel

Prepared statement

Kellison, Stephen G., executive director, American Academy of Actuaries, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Gerald Richmond, chairman, subcommittee on ERISA; and Vincent Rubino, vice chairman, government affairs committee, American Society of Pension Actuaries, New York, N.Y., a panel.

Prepared statement (with attachments)

Levin, Hon. Carl, a U.S. Senator from the State of Michigan, prepared statement.....

Levins, Marvin A., senior vice president, group pension and reinsurance
operations, Connecticut General Life Insurance Co., Hartford, Conn., on
behalf of the American Council of Life Insurance; Charles A. Moran, senior
vice president, Manufacturers Trust Co., chairman of employee benefits
service committee, American Bankers Association, New York City, N.Y., on
behalf of the American Bankers Association; and Theodore R. Groom, Esq.,
Groom and Nordberg, Washington, D.C., on behalf of the Prudential Life
Insurance Co. of America, the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the
United States, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Co., Connecticut Gen-
eral Life Insurance Co., and Aetna Life and Casualty, a panel..............
Prepared statement

Lugar, Hon. Richard G., a U.S. Senator from the State of Indiana...
Miller, Hilary B., chairman of the board, Alloytek, Inc., New York, N.Y.
Prepared statement

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Moran, Charles A., senior vice president, Manufacturers Hanover Trust Co.,
and chairman of the board and president of the Lionel P. Edie and Compa-
ay Inc, and chairman of the Employee Benefit Services Committee of the
Trust Division of the American Bankers Association; Richard H. Loeber,
nice president, group division, Aetna Life and Casualty, Hartford, Conn.,
representing American Council of Life Insurance; and Theodore R. Groom,
Eq Washington, D.C., representing a consortium of insurance groups and
the Western Conference of Teamster Pension Trust Fund, accompanied by
Gary Ford, Esq., a panel..
Prepared statement

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Morage Insurance Companies of America, Steven P. Doehler, staff vice president, prepared statement (with attachments)....

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Mahler, John G., president, John G. Mutschler and Associates, Inc., prepared statement..

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National Association of Home Builders, Stuart M. Lewis, on behalf of, prepared statement....

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National Association of Manufacturers, Irvine H. Dearnley, vice president,
Citibank, N.A., on behalf of, prepared statement...

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National Association of Mature People, Richard E. Shepherd, executive secretary, prepared statement..

680

Ninal Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Inc., Allan H. Gliddea, president, prepared statement..

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Natonal Automobile Dealers and Associates Retirement Trust, prepared

statement

744

National Coordinating Committee for Multiemployer Plans, prepared state

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ment.

National Federation of Business and Professional Women's Clubs, Inc., of the
United States of America (BPW), Phyllis Harrison, National president,
prepared statement.......

National Rural Electric Cooperative Association, prepared statement...
National Woman's Party, Elizabeth L. Chittick, president, prepared state-

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ment...

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National Women's Political Caucus, Kathy Wilson, National chair, prepared statement

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Viskanen, Dr. William A., member, President's Council of Economic Advisers, Washington, D.C., accompanied by Robert Nagle, executive director, Pennon Benefit Guaranty Corporation.

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Prepared statement

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Pension Rights Center, Stephen R. Bruce, deputy director, prepared state

Bent.

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Pension Rights Center, Karen W. Ferguson, director, and Stephen R. Bruce,
deputy director and staff attorney, joint prepared statement...
Profit Sharing Council of America, Walter Holan, president, prepared state-

ment.

Prudential Insurance Co. of America, Equitable Life Assurance Society of the
United States, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Co., Connecticut Gen-
eral Life Insurance Co., and Aetna Life and Casualty, Theodore R. Groom,
on behalf of, prepared statement, November 9, 1981.
Salsbury, Dallas L., Employee Benefit Research Institute, prepared state-

ment

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Smail Business Council of America, Inc., Morton A. Harris, Esq., president, prepared statement..

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Society of Professional Benefit Administrators, Frederick D. Hunt, Jr., execu-
Live director, prepared statement.

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Teamsters For a Democratic Union, Arthur L. Fox II, and Joseph Keffer, on behalf of, prepared statement......

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Teamsters for a Democratic Union, prepared statement.

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Treacy, James B., chairman and chief executive officer, Facet Enterprises, Inc., Tulsa, Okla., accompanied by James R. Malone, president and chief operating officer; Harris Weinstein, Esq., counsel; and John Vine, Esq., counsel, Covington and Burling

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Prepared staterent

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United Methodist Church, Board of Global Ministries, Joyce V. Hamlin, secretary for legislative affairs, prepared statement

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United States Conference of Mayors, John R. Price, senior vice president, Manufacturers Hanover and chairman, U.S. Conference of Mayors, allied membership program, prepared statement..

United Steelworkers of America, Lloyd McBride, president, prepared statement, November 12, 1981.

Prepared statement January 26, 1982.

Weil, Gotschal and Manges, firm of, prepared statement
Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Trust Fund, prepared statement
Williams, Russell L., president, Agricultural Producers, Los Angeles, Calif., on
behalf of Citrus-Avocado Pension Trust, accompanied by Janed Clark man-
ager; Maurice Simmons, actuary; and Leon Gordon, Esq., counsel..............
Prepared statement

Women's Equity Action League, Carol Burroughs Grossman, national presi-
dent, prepared statement....

Zaleznick, Steven, legislative representative, American Association of Retired
Persons, Washington, D.C.; Stephen R. Bruce, deputy director, Pension
Rights Center, Washington, D.C.; and Michael S. Gordon, law firm of Mitt-
lemand and Gordon, Washington, D.C., a panel

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Articles, publications, etc.:

Mortgage Pools: Prohibited Transactions Under ERISA, by William J.
Chadwick...

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Upcoming Conflict, the, Labor Notes, by Dennis M. Bradshaw, from Constructor, 1980, pp. 56-57

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Nickles, Hon. Don, a U.S. Senator from the State of Oklahoma from:
Lehr, George W., executive director, Central States Southeast and
Southwest Areas Pension Fund, Chicago, Ill., January 25, 1982......
McBride, Lloyd, international president, United Steelworkers of
America, AFL-CIO, Pittsburgh, Pa., January 25, 1982..
Pianko, Howard, and Robert R. Bitticks, firm of Baer, Marks and
Upham, New York, N.Y., February 11, 1982..........

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Selected charts:

Selected interest rates and yields, 1970-80, from the Federal Reserve
Board, Federal National Mortgage Association, and Federal Home Loan
Bank Board......

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