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PART 1 OF 5—ALBANY, N.Y.

HEARING

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON
CENSUS AND GOVERNMENT STATISTICS

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON
POST OFFICE AND CIVIL SERVICE

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

EIGHTY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

DHIVERSITI

MAY 1, 1964

STANFORD

Printed for the use of the
Committee on Post Office and Cifil Service JUL 1964

DIVISION

GOV'T

DOCUMENT

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON : 1964

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COMMITTEE ON POST OFFICE AND CIVIL SERVICE

TOM MURRAY, Tennessee, Chairman JAMES H. MORRISON, Louisiana

ROBERT J. CORBETT, Pennsylvania THADDEUS J. DULSKI, New York

H. R. GROSS, Iowa
DAVID N. HENDERSON, North Carolina AUGUST E. JOHANSEN, Michigan
ARNOLD OLSEN, Montana

GLENN CUNNINGHAM, Nebraska
MORRIS K. UDALL, Arizona

GEORGE M. WALLHAUSER, New Jersey DOMINICK V. DANIELS, New Jersey

ROBERT R, BARRY, New York LINDLEY BECKWORTH, Texas

KATHARINE ST. GEORGE, New York HARLEY O. STAGGERS, West Virginia EDWARD J. DERWINSKI, Nlinois ROBERT N. C. NIX, Pennsylvania

ROBERT F. ELLSWORTH, Kansas JOE R. POOL, Texas

HOMER E. ABELE, Ohio ALBERT W. WATSON, South Carolina ALBERT W. JOHNSON, Pennsylvania EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California CHARLES H. WILSON, California

SUBCOMMITTEE ON CENSUS AND GOVERNMENT STATISTICS

ARNOLD OLSEN, Montana, Chairman
HARLEY O. STAGGERS, West Virginia AUGUST E. JOHANSEN, Michigan
JOE R. POOL, Texas

GLENN CUNNINGHAM, Nebraska ALBERT W. WATSON, South Carolina KATHARINE ST. GEORGE, New York EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California

HOMER E. ABELE, Ohio

Ex Officio Members TOM MURRAY, Tennessee

ROBERT J. CORBETT, Pennsylvania

THE FEDERAL PAPERWORK JUNGLE

FRIDAY, MAY 1, 1964

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON CENSUS AND GOVERNMENT STATISTICS
OF THE Post OFFICE AND CIVIL SERVICE COMMITTEE,

Albany, N.Y. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in court room No. 1, fourth floor, U.S. Post Office and Courthouse Building, Albany, N.Y., Hon. Arnold Olsen of Montana (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. OLSEN. This subcommittee will come to order.

Our subcommittee has come to this fine city of Albany to hold hearings on the subject of Federal paperwork. We chose Albany to open our hearings on this subject at the suggestion of our colleague, Congressman Lee O'Brien, of New York's 29th District, who is with us today, and who will be our first witness. Our hearings will continue next Friday, May 8, in Chicago, and then return to Washington, where we open on May 19 and expect to continue on there with hearings for several weeks.

Before calling our first witness this morning, I want to introduce our esteemed minority representative, Congressman August E. Johansen, of Michigan.

Mr. JOHANSEN. Thank you.

Mr. OLSEN. I should like to take a few minutes to explain what these hearings are all about and what we hope to accomplish by them. Let's face it, we are tackling an enormous problem—that of Government reports and paperwork-and we have no delusions about what we are getting into. You may remember that back in 1955 the Hoover Commission estimated the cost of the Federal Government's paperwork at $4 billion a year. Of this amount, $2.8 billion goes for collecting, compiling, analyzing, and publishing reports of all kinds. The remainder, $1.2 billion, goes for copying, filing, recording, and storing of these reports. Some $30 million was used for records disposal and destruction.

Now, this $4 billion figure applied to Federal costs alone. It did not include State and local government paperwork costs. Nor does it include what it costs the public to keep all of these records and to fill in all of these questionnaires. It has been estimated that it can cost a business firm 10 times what it costs the Government to handle a questionnaire, especially if the firm's books and accounts do not readily supply the required information. Is it any wonder then that when a request for voluntary information is sent out by a Federal, State, or local government agency, it often winds up in the wastebasket. Or, is it any wonder that the compulsory reports, like the

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