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Five services were provided by the Classification Act originally, but the former Personnel Classification Board and the Civil Service Commission have recog. nized that additional groupings may be desirable, and, in fact, would be necessary in the case that the Classification Act were extended to the field service.

Nor has the Commission any objection to the grade definitions of the proposed Mechanical Service. They seem to be fairly well drafted and are in a form which sets guide lines without rigid detail. In this respect they are, in fact, an improvement over the existing grade definitions in the Custodial Service.

The major question involved in H. R. 5496 is one of fiscal policy, in that the bill would establish for certain classes of positions now in the Custodial and Subprofessional Services, all involving work in recognized trades and crafts, a series of salary scales which would be considerably above the salaries that would remain applicable to thousands of other positions in the same grades in the Custodial and Subprofessional Services. These positions would not be covered or affected by H. R. 5496, because they do not fall within a recognized trade or craft. The seriousness of this objection lies primarily in the degree to which the scales of pay are raised over the existing scales, as shown in the tabulation below, which indicates the correspondence between the proposed grades and the existing grades as nearly as it can be determined at the moment:

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In the Commission's judgment, the present rates of pay of the Custodial Service are in their application to the recognized trades and crafts somewhat low in comparison to rates for comparable occupations fixed by wage boards on a prevailing basis and in comparison wih scales of pay in some of the grades of the other services of the Classification Act. We think that they may reasonably be raised to approach more closely the usual rates under wage board procedures, although on account of differences in the continuity of employment and the hazard of intermittent employment due to weather, completion of projects, and similar conditions, those rates should not be absolutely matched. This should be accomplished, however, without ignoring the merits of the question whether the scales for the Custodial Service itself, particularly in the lower grades, should be revised. The President has repeatedly expressed himself as being opposed to legislation that singles out any one occupational group of employees for special treatment.

The general level of the scales of pay proposed in H. R. 5496 is very much out of line with the scales that would be continued for other employees in the Custodial Service, and is considerably above what the Commission believes the President would approve.

On account of the lack of basic data from which to compute costs, the Commission has been able to make only a rough estimate. In the departmental service in the District of Columbia, about 2,700 employees would be immediately affected, and the cost of applying new pay scales to them would range between $750,000 and $1,000,000 on an annual basis. There are probably three or four times as many employees in the field service whose pay would be affected by H. R. 5496, so that the cost of this bill spread over both the field and departmental services would range perhaps between $3,000,000 and $4,000,000 on an annual basis. This has reference to the initial cost of making the required adjustments and does not take into consideration the cost of later salary advancements within the grades.

We have been advised by the Bureau of the Budget that H. R. 5496 is not in accord with the financial and administrative program of the President. Sincerely yours,


President. Mr. WINTERS. Now, getting to the Tennessee Valley Authority, here is a letter signed to our association on March 1, 1938, signed by Mr. Schultz, Chief of the Personnel Relations Division of the Tennessee Valley Authority, enclosing a schedule of labor classifications and hourly rates of pay, of which I will read a part:



The division of occupations into classes of work shall give due and adequate recognition of intelligence, skill, training, experience, and responsibilty required. The classification of occupations into classes and grades of work need not be bound by traditional rules and customs. In accordance with this schedule a minimum rate for hourly employees engaged in construction occupations listed herein is 4742 cents per hour, below which none of the listed occupations will be classified.

Skilled labor classifications shall include work requiring considerable training and/or experience in performance of the work, with a minimum of supervision. Skilled work includes that requiring the training and experience of journeymen-mechanics who can perform all the more important operations of their trades without special instruction or detailed supervision. Skilled work involves the use of complex tools and equipment, judgment in the use of materials, and accuracy in performance of the work.

Classifications below the skilled level shall include:

(a) Work performed by apprentices, helpers, and tenders to the skilled occupations. Tenders are laborers assisting construction trades and are not expected to use the tools of the skilled trades.

I won't read all of that, because it is too long, but request that the remainder be incorporated.

The CHAIRMAN. It may be incorporated in the record. (The remainder of the schedule is as follows:)

(b) Other work calling for a limited degree of skill and experience, sufficient to enable the individual to proceed efficiently with his duties after a short breaking-in period, and such other work as requires only a moderate degree of training, skill, and responsibility. Such work may require an ability to use simple hand tools or operate power-driven tool, machines, or equipment on repetitive operation.

(0) Work performed by unclassified or unskilled labor includes operations of a simple routine nature which require little or no formal education or previvious training or experience. The use of simple hand tools or equipment may be involved in unskilled work. Unskilled work is usually performed under close supervision. It includes such work as is done by watchmen, cooks' helpers, excavation laborers, etc.


Construction classifications
Apprentices, all trades:

(Probationary period optional, 3 months maximum).
First period.--
Second period.

Third period.
Asbestos worker (heat insulation)
Brick or stone mason.-
Concrete puddler --
Carpenter (form and finish).
Cement finisher--
Electrician ---

Rate $0.4742

60 . 75 .90 1. 1212 1. 3712

.5742 1. 12142 1. 25 1. 25

Construction classifications—Continued

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Groundman (line crew)
Labor foreman (construction)
Labor foreman, land clearance.
Labor subforeman (construction)
Lather --
Marble setter
Mortar mixer
Ornamental ironworker-
Other skilled building trades_
Painter or decorator---
Powder foreman
Powderman helper---
Reinforcing steelworker (bending, placing, tying)
Roofer or waterproofer.
Saw filer...
Saw filer, timber saw.
Sewer layer-
Shaft and tunnel miner-
Structural steelworker--

(a) 1 or 2 draft animals

(6) More than 2 draft animals..
Tenders (construction classifications)
Terrazzo worker..
Tile setter--
Timber rigger (reservoir clearance)-

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Equipment and Machine Operating Classifications

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Automotive grader operator
Cableway operator--
Cableway signalman.-
Central compressor plant operator-
Central mixing plant foreman.-
Concrete mixer operator:

(a) Less than 1 yard-

(b) 1 yard and over-
Conveyor operator---
Core drill foreman.
Core drill operator-
Core drill helper..
Crane or derrick operator (live boom)
Crushing plant foreman.
Crushing plant operator.
Crushing plant helper.-
Elevating grader operator.
Grader operator.
Hoist operator:

(a) 1 drum

(6) 2 drums. Jackhammer operatorLe Tourneau operator-Locomotive operator:

(a) 20 tons and over.

(6) Less than 20 tons. Marine engineer :

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(a) 50 tons or over_

(0) Less than 50 tons.-Marine pilot:

(a) 50 tons or over--
(6) Less than 50 tons..

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Equipment and Machine Operating Classifications Continued

Rate Motorboat operator, outboard--

$0.6242 Motorboat operator, inboard or tugboat.

.75 Oiler

. 75 Portable compressor operator--

. 75 Power shovel or dragline operator: (a) Over three-fourths yard -

1.50 (6) Three-fourths yard and under

1. 25 Pump operator --Road-roller operator

75 Tractor operator.

75 Tractor operator, special equipment (such as bulldozer, tractor loader,

etc.) Trenching machine operator_

1. 1212 Truck operator: (a) Under 3 tons (including dump bodies).

.6212 (6) 3 tons and over (including dump bodies) -

. 75 (c) Special equipment (such as winch truck, refrigerator truck, trailer truck, etc.)

.85 Wagon drill operator.

. 75 Wagon drill helper

6242 Metal and shop classifications Apprentices, all trades: (Probationary period optional, 3 months maximum)

.47192 First period.

.60 Second period

. 75 Third period

.90 Armature winder

1. 25 Blacksmith

1. 1242 Blacksmith helper

.75 Boilermaker---

1. 12142 Boilermaker helper

. 75 Bolt-threading machine operator.

. 75 Diamond drill setter

1. 1242 Drill bit grinder-

. 75 Drill-dresser machine operator

1. 1212 Gas mechanic ---

1. 1242 Gas mechanic helper.

.75 Machinist

1. 1212 Machinist helper-

. 75 Millwright --

1. 12142 Millwright helper

75 Outside machinist

1. 1219 Outside machinist helper.

. 75 Plumber

1. 25 Plumber helper

. 75 Sheetmetal worker

1. 124 Sheetmetal worker helper

. 75 Steamfitter--

1. 25 Steamfitter helper

. 75 Tool dresser.-

1. 1242 Welder (any trade or type).

1. 25 Welder helper---

. 75 Miscellaneous classifications

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Foreman and subforeman, skilled trades

Foreman, skilled trades:

Rate Supervising trades with $1.3712 rate---

$1. 6242 Supervising trades with $1.25 rate

1. 50 Supervising trades with $1.1212 rate.

1. 3712 Supervising trades with $1 rate.

1. 25 Subforeman, skilled trades: Supervising trades with $1.3742 rate---

1. 47142 Supervising trades with $1.25 rate

1. 35 Supervising trades with $1.1212 rate.

1. 2242 Supervising trades with $1 rate.

1. 10 Laborer (unclassified)--

.4714 Mr. WINTERS. As you will note a brick mason and stone mason in this classification for construction work, temporary work, maintenance work, in that operation receives $1.371, an hour. The electrician gets $1.25 an hour. The marble setter gets $1.25 an hour. A marble setter on a post office gets $1,680.

Senator BYRD. $1,680 what?

Mr. WINTERS. $1,680 a year—we use that term "1680" because that hits us so hard as we are all in that category here.

All these trades are listed in here.

Mr. Chairman, our whole plea, which will be substantiated by the rest of the committee, is that if there is some type of legislation that must be passed providing for the Civil Service Commission to coordinate the various jobs of the Government under one head, we would like to have this mechanical service set up definitely within this act, because this article here, section 12 of article II, merely pulls these men in the field into the departmental service at our basis of pay.

Because of the present pay schedule of the Tennessee Valley Authority, they don't want to come in under this act because they don't want to receive $1,680 a year when they are receiving around $2,200 a year, and it is not fair to them to make them take that reduction in pay.

According to those pay scales, we work longer than any other mechanics in the service, we receive less hourly wages and less annual wages.

I read an article in the paper the other day where Mrs. Roosevelt was told that seven staff members in the Minimum Wage Board office received a total of $15,200 a year, and she pointed out that rents in Washington are high, and that the people have families to support, and she particularly criticized the low salary of the male employees who had been on the job for 16 years and were making only $1,920.

Along those lines I want to say that when this bill of Congressman Chandler's came up, on the heels of that bill our administrative officials gave out somewhere in the neighborhood of about 245 administrative raises of $60 each, and there were some men who received those administrative raises who hadn't received one in approximately 10 years. On those salaries they have raised big families in Virginia and Maryland. It is just almost impossible to live on the money that is paid some of the mechanics.

I think that is about all I have to say now.

Senator MEAD. Your reference to rents sounds like a boom-town suggestion, but your reference to salaries belies that.


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