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Chairman PERKINS. That is true.

Now the gentleman is getting into an area where they have the resources to do that.

Mr. QUIE. They are a center city. You have heard what the center city people have said about their resources. They just think it is important to reach the culturally and socially deprived kids. What I am getting at is we don't have all the sensitivity on the Federal level. I was impressed with what Dr. Miller said in his statement about the parent school board support.

There is just a tremendous reservoir of creativity and support here. I like to keep saying this is where the job is going to be done.

Chairman PERKINS. I think your statement is sound. I don't think we have the community, citizenry and so forth involved enough. They can make a much greater contribution than they are making at the present time.

Mr. QUIE. Those are all the questions I have. Thank you very much.

Chairman PERKINS. Let me thank you all for your appearance today. We do appreciate your coming.

Dr. Miller, we do appreciate copies of your study.
Thank you one and all for coming.

The committee will recess until 9:30 a.m., Monday morning, gentlemen.

(Whereupon, at 12:45 p.m., the committee recessed, to reconvene at 9:30 a.m., Monday, March 13, 1967.)

ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION
AMENDMENTS OF 1967

MONDAY, MARCH 13, 1967

House of REPRESENTATIVEs, CoMMITTEE on EDUCATION AND LABOR, Washington, D.C. The committee met at 9:15 a.m., pursuant to recess, in room 2175, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Carl D. Perkins (chairman of the committee) presiding. Present: Representatives Perkins, Pucinski, Hawkins, Ford, Bell, Scherle, and Esch. Staff members present: Robert E. McCord, senior specialist; H. D. Reed, Jr., general counsel; William D. Gaul, associate general counsel; Benjamin o Reeves, editor; Louise M. Dargans, research assistant, and Michael J. Bernstein, minority counsel for education and labor. Chairman PERKINs. The committee will come to order. We have with us this morning several distinguished Kentuckians. Mr. Marvin Dodson, executive secretary of the Kentucky Education Association in Louisville, Ky., will you come forward; and all the county school superintendents that have been invited by Mr. Dodson, or anyone else, please congregate around the table there the best you can. We will try to get started this morning. Proceed.

STATEMENT OF MARWIN DODSON, EXECUTIVE SECRETARY, KENTUCKY EDUCATION ASSOCIATION, LOUISVILLE, KY.

Mr. Dodson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, I want to express my appreciation to your distinguished chairman and other members of the committee for this opportunity to testify . briefly on H.R. 6230.

Before getting into that, I want to say how pleased we are that you have a distinguished Kentuckian as chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Like the ad we have all seen on TV, Carl Perkins stands “10 feet tall” among school people in Kentucky. We are extremely proud of him and believe he will make a real contribution to the schools of the Nation in the position he now holds. I know that this is not the purpose of this appearance, but I could spend the time allotted to me in describing the very fine qualities which Congressman Perkins has.

By way of introduction, I am J. Marvin Dodson, executive secretary of ū. Roj Education Association. KEA is an organization of certificated personnel in Kentucky and has approximately 31,000 members. This is about 97 or 98 percent of the potential of the qualified personnel in Kentucky.

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Since we in KEA are in no way responsible for the administration of the funds distributed under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, nor is it the recipient of any, my testimony, naturally, will have to deal with some of my own observations and reactions which I have received from those who are more closely identified with the administration of the funds.

I would like to express appreciation to the committee for what the Elementary and Secondary Education Act has meant to our schools in Kentucky. Even though KEA is on record, and has been for a long time, favoring general Federal aid with the State being allowed to develop programs within the framework of its particular needs, we believe that the Elementary and Secondary Education Act has certainly brought improvements to our schools. Through the years, serious attempts have been made in the Congress to get general aid for public education but, as you know, it has met with defeat time after time. It is possible that this act is the only way that public education can be improved at this time. On the other hand, this does not minimize our conviction in the belief that the best possible way in which the Federal Government can assist public education is through some sort of general aid with an equalization factor in the distribution formula.

Most States have developed foundation programs for the distribution of State funds and, in my judgment, the bulk of Federal aid for education should come to the States under some approach similar to the foundation program laws which operate in most of the States throughout the Nation. This could be an objective formula which considers financial ability of a State with relation to its participation in Federal funds. Federal aid to education will never quite get the job done until this principle of distribution is recognized by the Congress.

It is our belief that all aid for elementary and secondary education under this act should be channeled through the U.S. Office of Education and the State departments of education to the local school districts within the State law. As I understand it, there are presently some programs which are not channeled through these particular agencies. For example, the Headstart program, which is currently administered by OEO, and the National Teachers Corps which is directly administered from the U.S. Office of Education to the local school districts are not handled in this manner.

I am sure you will hear a great deal about this during the period of hearings, but there seems to be a need for improved timing of authorization, appropriations, guidelines, and allocations. In my judgment, this will facilitate more effective planning insofar as programs are concerned.

In our State, there is still a tremendous need for school buildings and facilities. In our State, according to a recent survey, the need for classroom construction and related facilities is in the neighborhood of $143 million. The Kentucky Legislature, in trying to meet the increased demands for teacher salaries to keep them anywhere near the level they should be, has been unable to make any appropriation at the State level for buildings since 1960. The lack of appropriations by the legislature for school buildings has not only limited

the school boards in their abilities to build buildings out of current revenues, but it also has limited their capacities for the amortization of school bonds. The amount of bonds to be amortized by each district is determined by the resources which the district has for this Fo This usually is determined by the revenue from special uilding taxes and capital outlay funds from the foundation program. Naturally, when the capital outlay fund remains constant over a E. of years, the ability of a board of education to amortize school nds is seriously crippled. Because of the factors which I have mentioned, there has F. an accumulation of needs over the past 7 or 8 years which seriously impedes our education progress in Kentucky. Boards of education are limited by a statutory tax rate limitation that prohibits them from raising the necessary additional revenue at the local level. Let me again express my appreciation for this opportunity to express my views on H.R. 6230 and also express my gratefulness to the members of this committee for what it is doing toward improvement of public education in this country. hairman PERKINs. Let me ... Dodson, that I appreciate your coming. You and I have marched up and down a lot of mountains frequently in the direction of Federal aid to education, commencing back in 1949 and 1950. Mr. Dodson. Right. Chairman PERKINs. I am delighted that you are making some progress. We have not been able to branch out in the direction discussed in your statement, but I feel that sooner or later we are headed in that direction. Mr. Dodson. That is #. Chairman PERKINs. Thank you for an outstanding statement. Are you going to preside over the panel? Mr. Dodson. I will, if you would like me to. Chairman PERKINs. Yes. Mr. Dodson. The next one, Mr. Chairman, will be Mr. G. C. Burkhead, superintendent of Hardin public schools down in Elizabethto Wn.

STATEMENT OF G. C. BURKHEAD, SUPERINTENDENT OF HARDIN COUNTY SCHOOLS, ELIZABETHTOWN, KY.

Mr. BURKHEAD. Mr. Chairman and distinguished members of the Education Committee:

I am G. C. Burkhead, superintendent of schools in Hardin County, Elizabethtown, Ky. May I express my appreciation for the opportunity to present certain facts and viewpoints on the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and amendments of 1967. I would also like to request the privilege of commenting on the operation and results of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965.

Kentucky is a State where 24 percent of its youth are from families with incomes less than $2,000. Financing schools, even with heavy support from the State under the minimum foundation program, has fallen far short of providing the bare essentials of an adequate school program. The act has greatly aided in providing needed equipment,

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