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These are figures which you apparently had to more or less guess, based upon your experience?

General BARRIGER. That is absolutely true. The additional use of the Japanese roads by heavy American equipment, we feel, will undoubtedly require a lot of road repair. We will have to put up some sort of jerry-built structures to cover supplies and things like that.

Mr. MAHON. Of course, it is unfortunate that we, the victor nation, could not have the Japanese themselves bear the labor cost.

General BARRIGER. I think that they will for all the occupation, but when it is a question of supporting Korea, I do not know that we should expect them to support Korea. It does not seem to me that we should.

Mr. TABER. You figure that a good deal of this has got to go into Korea, is that the idea?

General BARRIGER. It is all for the support of Korea. Now, he may spend some of this money in Korea, I do not know; but we estimate that it will be spent in Japan and Okinawa.

Mr. MAHON. During the war, where were you, General?

General BARRIGER. I was in England, in France, and Germany during the war.

Mr. MAHON. Outline briefly how we handled theater-of-operations expenditures of this type during World War II?

General BARRIGER. During World War II I had some logistical responsibilities, but it was all tactical. All this business of reverse lend-lease, and all that rigmarole that some people know about, I do not know anything about. I do not know how they did it. My job was to get supplies to the troops.

Mr. MAHON. And you had the money with which to operate?

General BARRIGER. I did not have to use money. I was in a very fortunate position.

Mr. MAHON. During the war it was-I almost said difficult it was impossible to sit around this table and appropriate for specific items in the various theaters of operation. Wide latitude was exercised by our field commanders, of course. And if this Korean situation gets too big, it may be that it is going to become more and more difficult to estimate what those requirements are and the commanding general of the area will have to have wide latitude, which we hope and pray will be used in an efficient and economical way. That is all.

Mr. PLUMLEY. I want to be sure that I understand; I think I do. General MacArthur has indicated that he will need $13,000,000-plus for use in Okinawa and $22,000,000 for Japan.

General BARRIGER. That is right.

Mr. PLUMLEY. Then you made up tables based on your judgment as to what the needs as indicated might be specifically?

General BARRIGER. That is right.

Mr. PLUMLEY. Which are more or less and compelled to be an estimate?

General BARRIGER. That is right.

Mr. PLUMLEY. The total sum has been indicated by him to be the amount which I have named? Am I right?

General BARRIGER. That is right. We had a team that went out there and these figures were brought back by that team. That is about all that we have got to go on. We have sent this information

to him and he has not said he does not want these particular items. We have not got any other answer.

Mr. PLUMLEY. This team which you sent out there, of course, him and met his staff?

General BARRIGER. That is right.

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Mr. PLUMLEY. The staff indicated to your team the total amount you have suggested?

General BARRIGER. That is right.

Mr. PLUMLEY. Without specific mention or allocation as to where the money might go or where to be expended?

General BARRIGER. Without complete support. May I ask Colonel Davis to comment on this?

Colonel DAVIS. In the case of Okinawa, they only broke the figure down to 7.5 million dollars for POL-petrol, oil and lubricants. The remainder there in Okinawa was merely shown as general construction. Mr. PLUMLEY. Then you split that up in items as indicated.

Colonel DAVIS. We split that up into all the types of things that were originally planned there. In connection with Japan, the $2,000,000 for roads was broken out and the other $20,000,000 was merely listed as general construction.

Mr. PLUMLEY. That is satisfactory, so far as I am concerned. Mr. SHEPPARD. That is the best information you have to offer the committee at this time covering these two particular requests? Colonel DAVIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. SHEPPARD. Gentlemen, we have spent a very educational morning and afternoon. We appreciate your appearance. At this time we shall excuse you.

TUESDAY, AUGUST 8, 1950.

PILOT PLAN FOR CROP STUDIES

WITNESS

BRIG. GEN. E. C. WALLINGTON, ASSISTANT CHIEF, CHEMICAL WARFARE SERVICE

Mr. SHEPPARD. May I say to you, General Wallington, that we have invited you before the committee to answer a question of which I was the author. The question refers to an item on page 56 of the justifications, pilot plan for crop studies. That represents a request for $373,500. I want to know the purpose for which you are going to use that money and what progress you have made with the project, and what the efficiency of the operation is, under that subhead.

You may make your answer completely off the record, if you wish. General WALLINGTON. I think it should be off the record. (Discussion off the record.)

Mr. MAHON. Thank you very much, gentlemen.

General BARRIGER. Gentlemen, we thank you very much for your consideration and your patience.

AUTHORIZATION FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS

Mr. MAHON. Congressman Carl Vinson, chairman of the House Committee on Armed Services, has communicated his interest in

the pending projects involving something over $84,000,000. He points out that something over $27,000,000 involved in these projects has been authorized by specific legislation; in other words, individually authorized. The remaining portion of the money is for projects which have not been specifically considered, as I understand it, by the House Committee on Armed Services. However, all the projects in the bill are authorized by law under the general statutes and Public Law 703, approved July 2, 1940, is cited as being the general basis upon which the projects have been presented, which have not been individually considered by the House Committee on Armed Services. Mr. Vinson indicates that he will confirm his interest in an approval of the proposed projects by letter.

OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE

WITNESSES

W. J. MCNEIL, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, COMPTROLLER LYLE S. GARLOCK, DIRECTOR, BUDGET DIVISION

CONTINGENCIES

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Mr. MAHON. Mr. McNeil, the committee has requested your presence to give us some explanation of the revised estimate contained in House Document No. 677 under the heading of "Contingencies, Office of the Secretary of Defense. The language contained in House Document No. 677 will be inserted at this point:

For emergencies and extraordinary expenses arising in the Department of Defense, to be expended on the approval or authority of the Secretary of Defense and such expenses may be accounted for solely on his certificate that the expenditures were necessary for confidential military purposes; $85,000,000.

I suppose that most of this will be off the record.

Mr. MCNEIL. Yes, sir. The $85,000,000 under this appropriation is to provide for unforeseen contingencies which will arise from time to time not provided for under any other appropriation.

(Discussion off the record.)

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