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I am not a salesman for this machine, by the way.

Mr. Ozonish. In our mine in the summertime we have conditions there where we are sweating all the time. In the wintertime we are freezing in our mine. Now with that air blowing up there in the wintertime, I don't think you could work. I don't think our men could work.

Senator WILLIAMS. Well, it can be regulated. This is a safety factor.

Mr. OzONISH. If you cut so much air off, then you have another condition from your gas or your dust.

Senator Williams. Now I was over in Czechoslovakia in this big mine.

Mr. OZONISH. In the summertime or winter?
Senator WILLIAMS. It was around Eastertime last year.

They had not had an ignition, they had not had a flash, they had not had an explosion in 20 years in that mine. That was in Ostrava, Czechoslovakia.

Mr. Bishop. How much gas is liberated?
Senator WILLIAMS. It is comparable.

I just want to say the reason I thought they could not long wall it over here is the geology of the business, the way you have to mine. I didn't know you could long wall here.

Mr. O'BROCHTA, They have a long wall down near Greensburg. I think that is in that mine now.

Senator WILLIAMS. Mr. Feder tells me there are 16 in this country.

Mr. BISHOP. The air coming in, it takes care of all that. It says anything that is injurious to the health and safety and welfare of the coal miner himself. So we have those problems, and this machine could create a problem.

Senator WILLIAMS. The new machine.

Mr. Bishop. The long wall. Not only that, we have it here for the dust standards.

Senator WILLIAMS. I suggest you come over there.
Please identify yourself

for the record.
Mr. O'Brochta. Thomas O'Brochta.
We had this so-called safety meeting which I think was a farce.
Senator WILLIAMS. Which meeting was that?

Mr. O'BROCHTA. The meeting called by the International. I think it is a farce more than anything else. We talked to several men that worked on this long wall about the dust hazard with the air coming over, getting the dust as it comes over. You have a lot of jacks. Whether you have a long wall or the plainer type, you still have the long wall jacks and they claim that the men on the jack get the dust. They said those men get the dust. They said that the man farther down each jack gets the most dust.

Senator WILLIAMs. Yes, I can see that.

Mr. Bishop. But this act takes care of it because no dust can be accumulated and each year it gets less and less.

Senator WILLIAMS. Yes. Whether it is long wall or not the dust content has to be under the law. You are right on that. We are sort of having an academic discussion here because whichever system, the dust content cannot be more than the law says.

Mr. Bishop. That is right.
Mr. PRICE. That is right.

Mr. Bishop. The main thing we are here for today is to get more qualified people to enforce this act. Congress has passed this act here, it is the law of the land, right?

Senator WILLIAMS. You fellows are miners, how do you evaluate the law? Is it an adequate law? Is it a good law?

Mr. O'BROCHTA. On the whole, yes.

Mr. BISHOP. It is a good law, I have read it backward and forward a number of times. Everything in here is identical to what we want, but we want somebody to enforce it.

Now they say we don't have qualified men. I had it all written down here. We would like for you to go back and tell the people that we do have qualified people. These high standards that the Bureau of Mines and Civil Service put out, who is up to date on that? Practical experience is safety.

Mr. Ozonish. We had a school operated by the Federal people and all safety committees were advised to go to that school.

Mr. Bishop. Everything.
Senator WILLIAMS. Which school is this?
Mr. PRICE. Bureau of Mines.

Mr. OZONISH. We went to that school and received a certificate of qualification.

Senator WILLIAMs. When did you go to school, by the way? Mr. O'BROCHTA. February. Senator WILLIAMS. Of this year? Mr. BISHOP. Yes. Senator WILLIAMS. Since the new law? Mr. O'BROCHTA. Yes. Senator WILLIAMS. Was that the textbook when you went to the school?

Mr. BISHOP. Yes.

Senator WILLIAMS. At this point, without objection, I order inserted in the hearing record the text of "Training Course for Coal Mine Safety Committeemen.”

(The material referred to follows:)

TRAINING COURSE

FOR

COAL MINE SAFETY COMMITTEEMEN

Originating Office Bureau of Mines Mount Hope, West Virginia 25880

Coal Mine Safety District B

FOREWORD*

"The first meaningful approach to collective activity in the field of safety was the inclusion, by contractual arrangement, of the mine safety committee.

"A grave duty and responsibility is conveyed by this contractual arrangement to three elected mine workers and members of the United Mine Workers of America. The present contractual arrangement conveys to the safety committee great powers and responsibility: (1) Investigating causes of an explosion and/or disaster, (2) inspection of any mine development or equipment used in producing coal, (3) upon detection of dangerous mining conditions that endanger the life or bodies of the mine workers, it shall report the finding and recommendations to management, (4) where the safety committee believes an immediate danger exists, they have the contractual right to recommend that management remove all mine workers from the unsafe area, and the operator is required to follow the committee's recommendation, and (5) the safety committee and the operator shall maintain such records concerning inspections, findings, recommendations, and actions related to the provision of the Wage Agreement as may be required, and copies of all reports made by the safety committee shall be filed with the operator.

"By these transmitted rights and duties, the relationship of the safety committee and management is most important. Their importance is emphasized by the very nature of their work and responsibility which is solving safety problems and saving human lives.

"Industry safety and good relations between management and the safety committee cannot be taken for granted. This relationship must be cultivated as it can be easily undermined where either party violates the assumption on which the safety program and relationship exists. The committee and management must work together in reasonable harmony and in a climate of mutual respect and confidence. This, I know, is' a challenge for all of them, but reason must and will prevail.

"The safety committeemen are called upon to exercise their mature judgment, based on their intelligence and mining experience, as to what actually constitutes a safe or unsafe practice, or a safe or unsafe working condition. Their decision and suggestion may save or cost some employee his life or limb. If they are to be

*Excerpts from "What Does a Good Safety Committee Do," by L. J. Pnakovich, President, District 31, United Mine Workers of America, presented before Coal Mining Section, West Virginia Statewide Safety Conference, Charleston, West Virginia, April 30,

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