Mr. WIER. There is one statement in that briefing which was given us about the Air Force which interests me. I started out the other day rather dubious about this, but with five salesmen out there you have these flying schools in their area who are doing a pretty good selling job, but any of these communities whether in Texas, Arizona, or Missouri, or Florida

Mr. METCALF. Or Minnesota

Mr. WIER. We do not have one in Minnesota, and I would be very cautious to watch to see if one of them is coming to us. If they were bidding and if they were out after these air-training bases, then I would say they are people who ought to know what they are doing. I certainly know a lot of Congressmen here who do not want any military installations in their district. They have had sad experiences with them.

Mr. UDALL. Of course, my colleague should bear this in mind: These people oftentimes go out and invite them to come in with all the other schoolchildren and sometimes the right hand rarely knows what the left hand is doing, as a matter of fact, on the community level.

Mr. GRIGSBY. There were 9 successful bidders, you see, out of the 100 or so applicants.

Mr. WIER. You mean cities or companies?

Mr. GRIGSBY. Companies.

Mr. WIER. I am not talking about companies. I am talking about the cities which put in their bids for one of these training units. Mr. GRIGSBY. No; I think the bids were by private contractors who wanted to make an arrangement or get the backing of a city.

Mr. WIER. You read something about the cities inviting these units and giving them a field at a nominal rate.

Mr. UDALL. Of course, the fact of the matter is

Mr. GRIGSBY. They pick the contractors in that respect, or the bidders.

Mr. UDALL. The fact of the matter is, if I may say so, the thing does not initiate normally in having some chamber of commerce of a city go out and start trying to get an airbase. The Department of Defense needs installations, and they start looking around and pick the ones that are the most likely, and if they can get a contractor to go in here and there and can work out an arrangement, they do so. In some instances they recapture a base, and in some instances where it has passed into county hands or into the local entity, they deal with them on this contractual basis.

Mr. WIER. But your local officials and local bidders of a community in their anxiety to get back into operation send a delegation down to see this contractor to bring a unit in there, and they say, "We will give you this field."

Mr. WIER. Who has the schoolchildren? Does Pima County have the schoolchildren?

Mr. RHODES. Pima County has the schoolchildren, and the other county has the airbase.

Mr. UDALL. I seem to be making a career of not persuading our colleague from Minnesota.

Mr. PERKINS. My point is according to the evidence we have received here, are we treating these children fairly? The Government can recapture any of the bases at any time, although under the recapture clause the municipality owns the base, and the contractor has made the contract with the Air Force to carry out the flight training, and should we make that municipality assume this burden, and is it fair to the child?

Dr. BROWNELL. If the Government recaptured it and took it over, these places would be eligible for assistance under Public Law 815. As far as the community is concerned, they are under no threat by recapture.

Mr. PERKINS. I understand that.

Dr. BROWNELL. They would lose that problem. Our position was that we felt we needed to consider whether or not the problem that is created here could not be solved by the terms of the lease, which would provide, if the lease is to be made, that there be sufficient cost to take care of what the impact is. That is one way to do it.

Mr. WIER. What is the answer to the position taken here by Mr. Rhodes, that X County invited them there and gave them every inducement to come, but X County has not gotten any cost out of it, the cost is in the next county that had no interest in it.

Dr. BROWNELL. There are two ways in which the State could handle that situation on a State level. One is by redistricting, which is done in some places to make a larger district which will cross county lines, that is one. The other is in terms of the kind of taxation they have for State support; whether they will rely primarily on the local property tax, or whether they use more from State funds that may come from an income tax or payroll tax that these people would contribute to. So the tax would be shared. Those are possible ways of solving it.

Mr. WIER. That is the long way around. I assume that the Arizona Legislature meets every 2 years.

Mr. RHODES. Every year.

Dr. BROWNELL. This situation is not something that has just arisen this year.

Mr. RHODES. That is right.

Dr. BROWNELL. It has continued over a period of time and we are discussing a 2-year extension of Public Law 815 at this time.

Mr. WIER. I had the right intentions in the first place to duck this one and keep out of it, but I got my chin in it.

Mr. RHODES. The only point that I was trying to make was the Air Force could have recaptured practically all of this property and it would have been under Public Law 815 and we would not have had any worries, and instead they did not recapture, they let a contract and on the face of it it looks like a bit of collusive agreement between the contractor and the Air Force at the expense of the local community. I have no evidence to substantiate that. All I am saying is it looks like that.

Mr. PERKINS. I personally feel that the impact is there. The committee will certainly work its will along that line.

Mr. WIER. Did we not in the original content of these two bills make these Air Force people, when they had control of the property, pay a part of the cost of the education? I thought we made the Air Force in some cases dig up the money for expenditures.

Dr. BROWNELL. I have no knowledge of that. My knowledge of the law is in terms of the last 2 years.

Mr. WIER. I am talking about 1950. I was directing my remark to Mr. Lilly white.

Mr. LILLYWHITE. The law prohibited them from paying anything.

Mr. WIER. I know we did something to penalize them.

Mr. LILLYWHITE. You told them to keep their fingers out; you prohibited them from putting up money for the construction or operation after the first year.

Mr. PERKINS. The committee will recess until Wednesday at 10

AMENDMENTS TO PUBLIC LAWS 815 AND 874,

81ST CONGRESS

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18, 1956

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR, Washington, D. C.

in room

The subcommittee met, pursuant to recess, at 10: 10 a. m., 1310, New House Office Building, Hon. Carl D. Perkins (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives Perkins, Wier, Metcalf, Udall, Gwinn, Rhodes, Wainwright, and Frelinghuysen.

Present also: Fred G. Hussey, chief clerk, and Russell C. Derrickson, chief investigator.

Mr. PERKINS. The subcommittee will be in order.

Mr. HUSSEY. Mr. Chairman, I have some statements for the record: One from the Honorable Richard E. Lankford from the Fifth Congressional District of Maryland; a statement from Dante B. Fascell, Member of Congress from the Fourth District of Florida. He attaches a statement from the Superintendent of Public Instruction in Monroe County, Key West, Fla. We have a letter from the Honorable Clyde Doyle, Member of Congress from California; and a statement from Mr. Frederick W. Evans, superintendent of schools, Mount Holly Township elementary schools, Rancocas Valley Regional High School, Mount Holly, N. J.

Mr. PERKINS. Those are all the statements you have, Mr. Hussey? Mr. HUSSEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. PERKINS. Without objection, the statements will be inserted in the record.

(The statements referred to follow :)

STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD E. LANKFord, a RepreSENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT OF MARYLAND

My name is Richard E. Lankford and I have the honor to represent the Fifth Congressional District of Maryland in the United States Congress. My district is made up of the Counties of Prince Georges, Anne Arundel, Charles, Howard, St. Marys, Calvert, and products 12 to 19 of the 25th ward of the city of BaltiThis area is generally known as southern Maryland.

more.

Since 1950, this area has experienced a phenominal growth in population. Because of its proximity to the District of Columbia and the location of a large number of Federal activities throughout the district this unusual increase in population can be directly attributable to a large influx of Federal employees. This situation has placed abnormal demands on our public schools which necessitate an immediate and continued expansion of our school facilities.

A recent survey indicates our present school population to be approximately 98,553. It is estimated that at the present rate of growth in our population by 1960 our school population will have increased to 137,700, or 40 percent more than at present enrollment. In order to give these children more than a sub