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SATURDAY, OCTOBER 10, 1942

UNITED STATES SENATE,
MITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS,

Washington, D. C.
ommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:30 a. m., in the
room, the Capitol, Hon. Kenneth McKellar (chairman)

Senators McKellar, Hayden, Overton, Thomas of Okla-
Sarran, Nye, Holman, and Brooks.

NAVY DEPARTMENT

NAVAL AVIATION

SNT OF HON. JAMES V. FORRESTAL, UNDER SECRETARY

E NAVY ACCOMPANIED BY REAR ADMIRAL A. H. VAN
EN, UNITED STATES NAVY; REAR ADMIRAL J. S. McCAIN,
ED STATES NAVY; REAR ADMIRAL E. G. ALLEN, UNITED
ES NAVY; AND REAR ADMIRAL R. E. DAVISON, UNITED
ES NAVY

tor McKELLAR. Mr. Secretary, we have before us the second
mental national defense appropriation bill for 1943, II. R. 7672,
has already been passed by the House, and in which your De-
ent is very greatly interested. We will be glad to have any
rent from you that you care to make.
ay state in the very beginning that I understand that the House
"ppropriated the amounts that you wanted and have recom-
led, and much of it is for airplanes and for my part, I am inclined
ink that the sooner and the faster we build aircraft in this country,
etter, and I am almost content to go sight unseen on the question
ircraft; but if there is that or any other question that you have
- you want to bring before the committee, the committee will be
d to hear you.
Mr. FORRET , I do not think that I ought to take your time,
Ir. Chair

cessarily.

MOUNT

NAVY DEPARTMENT AND AMOUNT FOR NAVAL

AIRCRAFT

As you
hout $51

tal amount of the cash requested in this bill is
vf which, as you say, the major item is for

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

KENNETH MCKELLAR, Tennessee, Chairman CARTER GLASS, Virginia

GERALD P. NYE, North Dakota CARL HAYDEN, Arizona

HENRY CABOT LODGE, JR., Massachusetts MILLARD E. TYDINGS, Maryland

RUFUS C. HOLMAN, Oregon
RICHARD B. RUSSELL, Georgia

C. WAYLAND BROOKS, Nlinois
JOHN H. OVERTON, Louisiana
ELMER THOMAS, Oklahoma
PAT MCCARRAN, Nevada
JOSEPH C. O'MAHONEY, Wyoming
JOHN H, BANKHEAD, Alabama

EVERARD H. SMITH, Clerk

SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL NATIONAL DEFENSE

APPROPRIATION BILL, 1943

URDA

94.2

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 10, 1942

UNITED STATES SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS,

Washington, D. C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:30 a. m., in the committee room, the Capitol, Hon. Kenneth McKellar (chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators McKellar, Hayden, Overton, Thomas of Oklahoma, McCarran, Nye, Holman, and Brooks.

NAVY DEPARTMENT

NAVAL AVIATION

STATEMENT OF HON. JAMES V. FORRESTAL, UNDER SECRETARY

OF THE NAVY ,ACCOMPANIED BY REAR ADMIRAL A. H. VAN KEUREN, UNITED STATES NAVY; REAR ADMIRAL J. S. McCAIN, UNITED STATES NAVY; REAR ADMIRAL E. G. ALLEN, UNITED STATES NAVY; AND REAR ADMIRAL R. E. DAVISON, UNITED STATES NAVY

Senator MCKELLAR. Mr. Secretary, we have before us the second supplemental national defense appropriation bill for 1943, H. R. 7672, which has already been passed by the House, and in which your Department is very greatly interested. We will be glad to have any statement from you that you care to make.

I may state in the very beginning that I understand that the House has appropriated the amounts that you wanted and have recommended, and much of it is for airplanes and for my part, I am inclined to think that the sooner and the faster we build aircraft in this country, the better, and I am almost content to go sight unseen on the question of aircraft; but if there is that or any other question that you have that you want to bring before the committee, the committee will be glad to hear you.

Mr. FORRESTAL. I do not think that I ought to take your time, Mr. Chairman, unnecessarily.

AMOUNT IN BILL. FOR NAVY DEPARTMENT AND AMOUNT FOR NAVAL

AIRCRAFT

As you know, the total amount of the cash requested in this bill is about $5,600,000,000, of which, as you say, the major item is for aircraft.

Senator MCKELLAR. Just what is for aircraft? Mr. FORRESTAL. $2,862,000,000, which represents in terms of planes, 14,611 airplanes. The balance is for current expenditures. In addition, the bill makes available for expenditure funds previously appropriated for the construction of 1,900,000 tons of combatant vessels, of which a substantial part is for aircraft carriers, and certain small craft and auxiliary vessels.

WHEN PLANES PROVIDED IN BILL WILL BE OBTAINED Senator McKELLAR. By what time will you get the airplanes that will be appropriated for in this bill, what time do you estimate?

Mr. FORRESTAL. I think that is difficult to say. I am always reluctant to hazard a guess. I do not like to hazard a guess.

Senator MCKELLAR. I would not ask you to do that, but merely to give us your best judgment as to about what time.

Mr. FORRESTAL. Well, you see, these airplanes are added on to our 27,500 current schedule of planes.

Senator MCKELLAR. I understand.

Mr. FORRESTAL. I should doubt whether we would get these planes before—well, they would begin to come in about the end of next year.

Senator MCKELLAR. 1943?
Mr. FORRESTAL. Yes.

Senator MCKELLAR. And the major portion of them would be probably in 1944 and the first half of 1944?

Mr. FORRESTAL. Yes. This may be a very unsound guess, but that is my best present guess.

Senator MCKELLAR. Yes.

Mr. FORRESTAL. The reason I have to guess is this: In order to produce the number of planes that we are shooting for next year, you will have to maintain the productive capacity to make planes. You will have to place orders to accomplish that and, by the end of next year, we will have productive capacity for a very large number of airplanes.

TYPES OF PLANES TO BE PROCURED WITH FUNDS IN BILL

Senator McCARRAN. What types of planes are these?
Mr. FORRESTAL. There are many types-dive bombers, observa-
tion planes, fighters, and some, I think, large land bombing planes,
B-24's.

Senator OVERTON. And training planes?
Mr. FORRESTAL. Yes; of course, training planes.

STATUS OF PROCUREMENT SCHEDULE FOR NAVAL AIRCRAFT Senator McKELLAR. Are you pretty well up with your time schedule? Mr. FORRESTAL. Pardon me.

Senator McKELLAR. Are they being produced according to schedule?

Mr. FORRESTAL. The Navy schedule of production is about on time.

Senator McKELLAR. About on time?

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