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(NOTE.— The following statement was subsequently furnished :)



The estimate of future authorization at Natick of $8,180,000 as shown on. page 62 of the military construction authorization program, fiscal year 1961, section IV-inventory, item 6 is identified as follows: In response to requests. of the Congress, all stations at which construction is requested by the Army must present an estimate of their future requirements in accordance with the latest approved master plan. These estimates indicate provisions for expansion, re placement of obsolescent facilities, or additions required for present and fore-seen missions. The figure of $8,180,000 for Natick includes no additional facility for the Food and Container Institute. It is an estimate of facilities for the Quartermaster Research and Engineering Command yet to be programed and approved, at such time as circumstances dictate in the mid- and long-rangefuture, of such items as: Modifications and additions to climatic chambers and laboratory buildings. Utilities, including new or modified lines and connections for laboratory equip. ment, parking areas, etc. Standardization and specifications building. Supply and storage facilities, including general supply and chemicals, gas:

cylinders and radioactive materials.
Administrative service building and security building.
Housing, including family, bachelor, and barracks spaces.
Community facilities, post exchange, etc.

Senator CANNON. Now, the other question that I would like for them to furnish us information on is this: Assuming that facilities could be furnished at Chicago at a comparable cost, would they then give us information as to what their position would be and why.

For example, if they say that they still would favor the move because of the administrative consolidation, I think that that should be brought out by them, assuming that all other factors are equal in the furnishing of comparable facilities at a comparable cost, and that they should then tell us what their position would be on this overall problem.

Senator STENNIS. All right. You have clearly stated that for the record and the Army can get those questions for the record.

(NOTE.—Comment on the relative desirability of occupying other facilities in Chicago for the Food and Container Institute will be found on p. 578.)

Senator STENNIS. Now, Congressman Yates, after you have looked over this General Accounting Office report, you may have additional points you want to make, and you may do so in person or send over a written comment, and it will go into the record.

Mr. YATES. I thank the Senator for his graciousness.
Senator STENNIS. I am sorry we had to ask you to come back.

Congressman Edward P. Boland has informed the Chair that he favors the proposed transfer of the Quartermaster Food and Container Institute to Natick, Mass., and inasmuch as he is unable to appear personally today, he desires to have this statement included in


nen, we will now proceed to the next order of business here
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General HARRISON. Mr. Chairman and gentleman of the committee, I fully recognize that you have an extremely full day today.

Senator STENNIS. That is right. If we cannot get through today we will have to recess.

General HARRISON. My statement is rather brief, and if there is no objection I will read it.

Senator STENNIS. Yes.

General HARRISON. The Chief of the National Guard Bureau, Maj. Gen. D. W. McGowan, has graphically illustrated for your benefit the present status of the armory construction program for the Army National Guard, including what has been built and what remains to be constructed, modified, or converted. He has, also, testified as to annual appropriation and funding, as well as the history of annual restriction

on obligation authority. The statement of General McGowan reflects the ills which have beset the armory construction program for the Army National Guard for fiscal years 1958, 1959, and 1960. Despite the fact that the Congrass has adequately authorized sufficient projects and has appropriated adequate funds for armory construction, and despite the demonstrated ability of the National Guard Bureau and the States to program, fund, and obligate annually new armory construction of approximately $27 million, delaying tactics by the Bureau of the Budget and the Department of Defense, coupled with limitations on obligations and expenditures, have successfully operated to limit and to stretch out this important work. Delaying these projects makes it a relatively simple job for the Bureau of the Budget to force a compliance with an arbitrarily imposed funding program.

National Guard Bureau testimony indicates that_387 existing armories require alteration or modification; 643 new armories are additionally required; $95 million of Federal funds is required to support the consequent alteration, modification, and new construction; $144 million has been appropriated by the Federal Government thus far in support of the construction program;

Annual obligations for armory construction range from a low of $6 million in fiscal year 1953 to a high of $26 million-plus both in fiscal years 1956 and 1957;

Funding restrictions restricted fiscal years 1958 and 1959 obligations to $13 million each;

Actual obligations in fiscal year 1960 reflect the continued limitation placed on the obligation of funds appropriated by the Congress for Army National Guard construction, and a 6-month delay in apportioning appropriated armory construction funds; and

The financing plan for fiscal year 1961 provides for $20 million, consisting of $12 million carryover and $8 million of new appropriated funds.

It is readily apparent that the current system of line-item authorization and appropriation denies any flexibility in the construction program. Experience to date under this system of line-item authorization demonstrates an unquestioned need for a substantial degree of flexibility in order to permit the National Guard Bureau and the States to construct to the limit of annual obligation authorization.

The program for the construction of Army National Guard armories is not a one-way street. To date, the States have contributed $55million-plus to this program. This figure reflects most favorably with the Federal appropriations of $95 million, and still more favorably with the Federal dollars obligated. The best information available to us indicates that the States now have on hand almost $26 million in State-appropriated matching funds available for the construction of Army National Guard armories. This is far in excess of the proposed Federal authorization contained in this bill of $12 million, and would support Federal authorization in the neighborhood of $75 million on a 75/25-percent construction basis.

We, of course, do not advocate that the Federal Government authorize $75 million for construction for the Army National Guard for the next fiscal year. We do, however, suggest a total for both authorizations and appropriations of approximately $30 million against which the States can obligate funds and which will give them a reasonable opportunity of equaling the $20 million ceiling under the proposed financial plan.

The Reserve Forces Facilities Act was originally enacted in recognition of the excessive financial burdens placed upon the States in support of an Army National Guard, the primary mission of which is Federal defense. I believe it was the intent of Congress to provide a joint effort between the States and the Federal Government to meet this financial problem. Each year, the States have requested Federal appropriations in support of Army National Guard armory construction far in excess of the programs annually submitted to the Congress by the Department of Defense which, themselves, have been reduced by artificial and arbitrary limitation placed upon expenditures and obligations.

A brief review of the testimony heard by this committee on the subject clearly reveals that armory construction at the present rate of expenditures will take in the neighborhood of 8 years more to consummate.

The present haphazard departmental and bureaucratic planning and programing for armory construction does not permit the States to plan and appropriate for their own construction programs on a firm basis. Advance planning by the States and appropriations by their legislatures, in advance of congressional action, are essential to any joint State-Federal programs and to their sound and successful accomplishment.

Accordingly, Mr. Chairman, we respectfully urge that you and your committee incorporate additional project authorizations in this bill which will provide total authorizations more in consonance with the amount of the matching funds already on hand and held by the States for this program. It will, likewise, provide a much-needed degree of flexibility which would permit substitution of authorized line items on a basis of unforeseen contingencies. I am sure that if the committee so requests the Chief of the National Guard Bureau can supply

specific armory construction projects which the States are anxious and. able to place under construction, and for which the States' share of matching funds is available.

Construction programs for the Air National Guard have heretofore been accomplished on a much more satisfactory basis and successfully. In fiscal year 1961, however, this bill provides much less for Air National Guard construction than is required by the National Guard Bureau to implement current programs for the development, training, and housing of the Air National Guard. In this respect, it is as equally unrealistic as is the Army National Guard construction program.

The Air National Guard is constantly being reorganized to reflect the latest patterns and concepts of the Air Force. More and more complex equipment and the latest production types of aircraft are being phased in the Air Guard. Here is a component which, under present plans, will be flying and shooting not only on M-day, but in all probability at H-hour. To delay needed construction in such an instance reflects a most shortsighted policy.

There are recent well-founded indications that as a result of the air defense reappraisal made by the Department an accelerated conversion to century series aircraft will accrue to the Air National Guard. Such accelerated conversions immediately generate construction requirements to provide essential maintenance and missile-storage facilities.

It is our understanding that the Department has submitted and requested authorizations for these additional requirements, and we earnestly solicit your support for their inclusion in H.R. 10777. The committee has been or will be advised by departmental witnesses of the specific amounts involved.

Mr. Chairman, there is great agitation on the part of communities within the States that have furnished, at great sacrifice, public buildings to house and train the guard for the return of these facilities. We believe that these communities are justified, in view of the manner in which the program was originally presented to them, and that it is unreasonable for them to continue to assume their burden.

It is for this reason, and the further reason that the States have kept faith with the original philosophy of the Reserve Forces Facilities Act by appropriating and having on hand matching State funds, that we earnestly request the Congress to provide sufficient authorizations and Federal appropriations to consummate the required armory construction program at the earliest possible date.

Senator STENNIS. All right, General. You certainly have a good statement here. I find a very fine bringing up to date of the figures re construction, and Mr. Nease is going to incorporate some of those in our report. I hope the committee will approve that, and there is also some very good data for the information of the country.

You mention also, if I may jump to another subject now: It is our understanding that the Department has submitted and requested authorizations for these additional requirements

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you were talking about the added duties of the Air National Guard under the defense reappraisal, air defense, I mean. We have been unable to get a list of those—have you got it?

All right, we have a list now that has been approved by the Air Force, but it has not been approved yet by the Secretary of Defense; is that correct? Mr. NEASE. That is correct.

Senator STENNIS. So until it has the top clearance of the military with reference to these installations we, naturally, hardly know how toʻact in a matter of that kind. General HARRISON. I understand that.

Senator STENNIS. What is your latest information about the Department of Defense acting, and what do you think their conclusion will be ?

General HARRISON. Well, my understanding is that a favorable report will be furnished by the Department of Defense.

Senator STENNIS. You will have to use your own good offices to get it over here.

General HARRISON. I am in a difficult situation; I have two squadrons in my State under consideration for modification. One squadron airfield is located on a commercial airfield.

The runways are sufficiently large enough to accommodate the CENTURY series.

But in the second one, another commercial airport, the runway is not long enough, and requires an extension before they can accept the CENTURY series aircraft. That is one instance where funds are needed, and not now included."

Senator STENNIS. Well, the point is how we will have to get it in here. We are going to mark this bill up as soon as we can. We have reached a point where we have to say yes or no, and until we have the facts we cannot say either.

General HARRISON. I do not have much influence with the Department of Defense, Mr. Chairman,

Senator STENNIS. But you keep trying.
General HARRISON. I will make an effort to try to get it over here.

Senator STENNIS. You make a point about the National Guard Bureau having the added list of guard armories. We are interested in that list, and I thought perhaps you had such a list here.

General HARRISON. Well, I do, Senator. As I commented, we have at our association headquarters a complete computation of the accomplishments of construction, and also we have a list that was furnished by the States of their additional requirements, but I am not officially in the chain of command, and I hesitate to furnish it.

Senator STENNIS. All right. I want to get a list for the committee's consideration. Mr. Nease, let us get that before us now for the markeup of this bill, and it will show the location and the amount in each item. Mr. NEASE. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Has this been approved by the National Guard Bureau and the Department of Defense so far as priorities are concerned?

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