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Senator ENGLE. What becomes of these older fellows?

General WILSON. They are promoted out of the unit and into the Reserve program, where they go into either a pool or, if they can find a job, in the Air Force Reserve flying unit.

Senator ENGLE. Just like the jet jockies in the regular field establishment in that if they can go up as field officers they go right ahead? General WILSON. That is correct.

Senator ENGLE. Thank you.

Senator STENNIS. What about those locations? That is going to give us trouble unless you can get something in here and those locations approved, that is your $6.2 million.

General WILSON. That's right. Our normal program is $7 million plus, and this add-on is $6.2 million based on this new program. I am not sure that this program has been completely settled in the Congress yet, as to what they are going to do with the air defense portion. I don't know, sir.

Senator STENNIS. This matter now, the $6.2 million is not tied to the BOMARC changes?

General WILSON. It is tied to the new air defense program; the F-102's are coming out of the active establishment into the guard.

Senator STENNIS. They have been testifying here about that, but I find now that it has not been approved by the Department of Defense. General WILSON. That is correct, sir; this has been submitted. All I can say is that the Air Force has submitted this to the Department of Defense. As to what action has been taken I am not yet familiar. Senator STENNIS. Well, is there someone here for the Air Force who can tell us what-who do you represent?

Mr. DEININGER. I am W. R. Deininger, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Properties and Installations. I can tell you this, sir, with respect to this $6.2 million program. That as of last Friday, the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Properties and Installations, sent a communication back to Air Force saying that the program was returned without action because of the fact that the additional authorization when added to what is now in the bill for the Air Guard, since there would be no further funding made available as of this time, would increase the authorization beyond the scope that is allowable.

Senator STENNIS. In other words, turned it down?

Mr. DEININGER. Yes; that's right, not because we were out of sym pathy with the program, it was a matter of financing the additional authorization if it were written into law.

General WILSON. That is news to me.

Senator STENNIS. Is that your testimony now before the committee here, official testimony representing the Department of Defense? Mr. DEININGER. Yes, sir; I can advise you officially of that. Senator STENNIS. What do you have to say to that now?

General WILSON. The only thing I can say to that is if we get these aircraft, which it looks like it is in a pretty firm position, I am either going to have to have the construction or not take the aircraft. There is no need of having airplanes on the field if you can't put the missiles on them to fire.

Senator STENNIS. I thought this had been agreed on, gentlemen. This comes as a surprise to me. I don't mean you have misled us but I thought you had approved it.

Mr. DEININGER. Could I say just one more word on that? In the communication back to Air Force, we suggested that when these locations can be identified specifically, and that the actual availability of the aircraft is firmed up, that we would certainly entertain requests from the Air Force for approval of these as emergency projects under the emergency authority that Congress has put in the hands of the Secretary of Defense.

Senator STENNIS. You mean as to money?

Mr. DEININGER. It would have to be financed out of the appropriations that are made available for 1961. It would be at the expense of some of the other line items that are not in the bill.

Senator STENNIS. In the bill for the Air Force or for the Air National Guard?

General WILSON. Mr. Chairman

Mr. DEININGER. For the Air National Guard.

General WILSON. We have a very small appropriation this year.. I don't see how I could defer Jackson, for example.

Senator ENGLE. It is a very modest request, the entire amount. Senator STENNIS. $6.2 million.

General WILSON. We have always tried to tie our construction requirements to the requirements of new aircraft and new missions. Senator STENNIS. Giving all these reasons now reminds me about those two colored boys going down the street in Memphis and they met a third boy and he told them "Cone on go down with us to Beale Street and we will shoot some craps." He said "I can't go for three reasons. The first reason is I haven't got any money," and they said "You need not give your other reasons."

If you don't get any money you don't need to give your other reasons here.

All right, I think you had better give us a little more detailed testimony here. We might want to move in on this.

General WILSON. I will be glad to furnish anything you want, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. You can give us the locations now as far as you are concerned, can you not?

General WILSON. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. And it is to take care―go over it again—to take care of what programs? Describe it a little further.

General WILSON. This is to take care of the program that has been discussed with the Congress in the Air Defense, and we are discussing the 14 locations shelters, aircraft, weapons, calibration, those are buildings for the calibration of the GAR-1 and GAR-2 weapons that are the fire control system of the airplane, that is on the 102, sir, rocket storage assembly, in other words we have got to have a place to assemble the rockets and test them at 8 locations.

We have them at six. We will have to modify the six existing ones we have, and some various maintenance docks, five of them. Now this maintenance dock does not tie in to the Air Defense, but this is on the conversion that happened about 6 months ago on the C-97 that came into the guard which we just converted six squadrons, but that

is our proposal. That is what we feel will be required; we have tentatively selected 17 locations of which we feel that 14 of them will be the 14 that are selected by the Air Defense Command.

Senator ENGLE. Do you want to read those?

General WILSON. Yes, sir. Alvin Callender, NAS, La.; Buckley Field, Colo.; Des Moines, MAP, Iowa; Dobbins AFB, Ga.; DouglasMorris Field, N.C.; Ellington AFB, Tex.; Fresno, MAP, Calif.; Hensley, NAS, Tex.; Hickam AFB, Hawaii; Kelly AFB, Tex.; Lincoln AFB, Nebr.; McConnell AFB, Kans.; Ontario IAP, Calif.; Salt Lake City, MAP, Utah; Thomas Cole Imeson AP, Fla.; Travis AFB, Ga.; and Will Rogers Field, Okla.

I say this has not been firmed up with the Air Defense Command. Senator STENNIS. The location won't be approved as long as they are not going to approve the projects, I suppose?

General WILSON. That is correct, sir. This is my idea, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Does anyone wish to examine the General further on that program? What kind of planes is that to take care of now? General WILSON. To take care of F-102 aircraft which is your supersonic Delta-Dagger fighter. It is just a small version of the F-106.

Senator ENGLE. It is a good one, too.

General WILSON. Yes, a real fine airplane.

Senator STENNIS. And you have the units now that you can get into this operation?

General WILSON. There is no problem with the units; they are all just chomping at the bit to get at the new, more modern aircraft.

Senator STENNIS. All right, General. We thank you very much. If there is anything else we need to know, let us know. We will now go into executive session.

(Whereupon, at 4:45 p.m. the committee went into executive ses

sion.)

MILITARY CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZATION

FISCAL YEAR 1961

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 27, 1960

U.S. SENATE,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON MILITARY CONSTRUCTION
OF THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,
Washington, D.C.

The subcommittee (consisting of Senators Stennis, Jackson, Engle, Cannon, Case, and Beall) met, at 10:30 a.m., in room 212, Old Senate Office Building.

Present: Senators Stennis (presiding), Cannon, and Case.

Also present: Messrs. Nease, Wingate, and Atkinson of the committee staff.

Senator STENNIS. The committee will come to order, please.

This is the day that we hear outside witnesses, other than those from the Government departments on matters of interest relating to the military construction authorization bill for the fiscal year 1961. Since a considerable number of witnesses have asked to appear we will proceed as rapidly as possible, and each one will be given full opportunity to present the facts, but we hope you will present facts and not arguments.

I might suggest, however, that if you have a prepared statement you might desire to submit it for the printed record and address yourself to the highlights.

We have listed here, gentlemen, the subject matter and grouped it the best way we could. We are not giving preference to one witness over another nor one subject over another, but there are witnesses here from California to Maine and we also have some Members of the Senate and the House of Representatives here to be heard. We are especially glad to have them, and will hear them first.

Senator Dworshak, you are here in connection with a matter in your State. We are especially glad to have you here, sir, and it is my privilege to serve on a subcommittee with you, more than one. No man gives more time and more thought, more attention and more sincere effort to matters and problems of Congress than Senator Dworshak, and we are glad to have you here, sir. Anything you have to say will be of interest to us.

STATEMENT OF HON. HENRY DWORSHAK, MEMBER OF THE U.S. SENATE FROM THE STATE OF IDAHO

Senator DWORSHAK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I shall try to be brief.

I have talked to you about the need of section 810 housing at Mountain Home, Idaho.

Since last fall when it was announced that a TITAN complex would be installed there, the already acute housing situation became even more acute, and I immediately conferred with the Air Force and the leaders in Mountain Home, held a conference last November to anticipate what might be done to relieve the housing situation.

Recently I received a letter from George S. Robinson of the Department of the Air Force, dated March 28, 1960, calling attention to the procedure in getting an application of section 810 housing.

I will quote from that letter one paragraph as follows:

In addition, there has been inserted in bill H.R. 10777 on page 48, lines 16 to 21, a provision that no certificates with respect to any family housing units shall be issued by the Secretary of Defense under section 810 of the National Housing Act, as amended, unless the actual number of units involved has been specifically authorized by an annual Military Construction Authorization Act. Our hearings before the House Armed Services Committee were concluded before this provision was inserted in the bill. Consequently, no line item requests for section 810 housing appeared in the House bill.

I also quote the following from Mr. Robinsons letter:

The Air Force plans to move ahead with the development of this housing just as soon as implementing instructions are received and congressional authorization has been obtained.

That is the background for the need of housing at Mountain Home. I have, as recently as yesterday, discussed with Mr. Ken Tyre, the Idaho Director of the Federal Housing Agency, concerning the situation there.

He has taken a profound interest in this because he recognizes the need for providing additional housing and I advised him that the Air Force officials had told me that possibly there might be some difficulty in providing adequate housing units, for personnel limited to monthly rentals of $90 to $100, and he gave me a report indicating that proper housing costing about $12,700 for a 3-bedroom unit could be provided and financed under section 810.

Now, this has been complicated very much, because a $29 million contract was awarded to proceed with the installation of the missile complex, the TITAN missile complex.

Mr. Chairman, I am not going to read letters from the mayor of Mountain Home or the president of the chamber of commerce except

Senator STENNIS. You can put them in the record if you wish. Senator DwORSHAK. I do not think that is necessary.

Of course, they are very eager to get some housing because of the situation which faces them, and I should just briefly refer to the chamber of commerce president's letter saying that:

The Martin Co., installers of the TITAN missile, reports they will have 500 technical people in Mountain Home to install the missile. This does not include their office force. Of this number it is estimated that 65 will be permanent technical representatives to service the missiles. There are over 1,200 trailer houses in and around Mountain Home. A large number of these 1,200 families, all living within 2 miles of the city limits, would rent or buy houses if they were available.

I want to thank the chairman and members of the subcommittee for their assistance in handling Capehart units, Mr. Chairman. I think a

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