Senator ENGLE. 602 is what? Is that estimated you will have at the end of this fiscal year? I am looking at the chart attached to your statement.

Senator STENNIS. Six hundred and forty two.

General WARREN. We will have 461, sir, at the end of fiscal year 1960. 642 will be required in the future after that, to bring us up to a total of 1,103.

Senator ENGLE. How are you getting along without them now? General WARREN. Many of our facilities are leased, sir.

General SEEMAN. Leased or donated.

Senator ENGLE. In other words, you have facilities. You just have not built them yet? You are leasing them?

General SEEMAN. That is correct.

Senator ENGLE. I can't understand what occurred here in 1958 and 1959 on this next chart, U.S. Army Reserve Construction which starts on additions to existing centers. It looks to me like you have blown hot and cold here.

In 1960 it says you had a target of 79 and it says the actual was zero. That is about as bad a score as a fellow can have.

How did that happen?

General WARREN. We have a target of 79, sir, 64 out of 79 additions have been advertised for construction, and 22 have already been awarded. None of them has been completed. They all will have been, or practically all will have been contracted for before the end of the fiscal year.

We didn't get any money at all in the first two quarters and could not go ahead and advertise for bids. We did not get any money until December 8.

General SEEMAN. This is actually as of January 1. The chart was made out as January 1.

Senator ENGLE. This zero there, is?

General SEEMAN. It means that the money had not been apportioned to the extent of actually authorizing a contract, advertising and an award.

Senator ENGLE. And you had no starts at all?

General SEEMAN. Up until that date, yes, sir.

Senator ENGLE. Do you expect to hit your target of 79?

General WARREN. Very close to it as I said yes, sir.

Senator ENGLE. Starts?

General WARREN. Yes.

Senator STENNIS. Starts on additions; is that it?

General WARREN. At present we have advertised for bids for 43 centers and 19 have actually been awarded to date, and of the additions, 64 have been advertised for out of 79, and 22 have actually been awarded. We didn't get any money for construction until the 8th of December, which delayed our program.

Senator ENGLE. You are not enlarging the reserve during this programed period of construction?

General WARREN. That is correct.

Senator ENGLE. Which goes up to 1,103, total units?

General WARREN. Yes, sir, total new centers required.

Senator ENGLE. You are now leasing places for these operations and your long-range plan is to build for them?

General WARREN. That is correct.

Senator ENGLE. So that you don't have to pay the rental money; you think that that will be cheaper?

General WARREN. Yes, sir, it is.

General SEEMAN. Not only rental, sir, the fact that some of them are just inadequate as a training facility. We have a meeting place but as far as training is concerned it is inadequate even though you have leased it.

Senator ENGLE. Thank you very much.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you very much, General Warren, and you gentlemen on the staff. We appreciate your appearance here.

I feel every year that this program ought to move faster, your construction program. Frankly I hardly know how to do it without more guidance from the Army, a higher level figure here. Thank you for coming in. We are glad to have you.

TESTIMONY OF REAR ADM. H. A. RENKEN, OFFICE OF CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS, U.S. NAVY

Senator STENNIS. Admiral Renken, come right around. We are glad to have you here with us and your staff too. You have a prepared statement. Do you wish to read it or summarize it?

sir.

Admiral RENKEN. It is not very long and I would like to read it,

Senator STENNIS. As you see fit.

Admiral RENKEN. Mr. Chairman, and gentlemen of the committee, I appreciate this opportunity to appear before you today in support of the military construction, Naval Reserve Forces program, which is so vital to the training and effectiveness of our reserve components.

In the years 1946 through 1952, the Navy and the Marine Corps reestablished their reserve programs. Facilities to support these programs were acquired in some 500 locations throughout the States where interest and population were estimated to justify the establishment of reserve units.

These areas all were canvassed carefully to determine if existing facilities, either of prewar construction or World War II surplus, were available and could be utilized to provide the needed training facilities.

In communities where such facilities could not be otherwise acquired, the Congress authorized funds to erect armories utilizing war surplus Quonset or Butler buildings to provide the majority of the needed interior space and a connecting headhouse to provide additional space and an acceptable frontal view. Some of the facilities utilized were on long-term lease and some of the Quonset-type armories were constructed on leased land.

Training centers supporting 200-1,500 reservists each were established in the larger communities as the population potential warranted. In smaller communities and, wherever possible, in close proximity to colleges or universities where the caliber of recruits could be expected to be higher, we established electronics facilities, whose primary purpose was to train the technical personnel so essential to the electronics and related fields.

Since that time, changes in equipment, training techniques and operational requirements have necessitated changes to, or replacement

of, facilities thus acquired. Additionally some leases then entered into are expiring and cannot be renewed, while useful service from many wartime structures is rapidly reaching an end. Thus the program of modernization and replacement of training and operational facilities is mandatory if the Reserve programs are to continue to function effectively.

It is our purpose to insure that a clear need exists for items presented for your approval. To that end the program before you has been repeatedly screened to insure that only items of the greatest urgency are included therein.

For purposes of clarity, this request, which totals $6,450,000, has been divided into three parts; namely, Naval Reserve, aviation; Naval Reserve, surface; and Marine Corps Reserve, ground. With your permission we will present them, in that order.

The Naval Reserve, aviation, segment (which includes requirements for Marine Corps Reserve aviation) provides the facilities needed to support over 300 air squadrons at 13 Reserve air stations and 5 Naval Air Reserve training units situated on regular air stations.

About one-half of these squadrons are being trained to perform around-the-clock, antisubmarine missions immediately on M-Day. As such, they require modern, all-weather operational and training facilities comparable to those required by active fleet units. The program before you requests authorization for aircraft landing aids, safety improvements to operational facilities, and replacement of two 20-year-old wooden buildings required for training and housekeeping support.

The Naval Reserve, surface, program provides facilities for the training of personnel required by mobilization plans.

It additionally provides, in areas where other Navy facilities are lacking, the shore facilities needed in support of our selected reserve ships.

In 1961, the foregoing facilities will be situated at 458 locations throughout the country. To meet the needs of this program we are requesting replacement of two training centers and 14 electronics facilities, plus rehabilitation of two centers and additional classrooms for another.

The Marine Corps Reserve, ground, segment of the program provides facilities for the training of personnel to immediately augment the Fleet Marine ground forces. There are planned for 1961, 225 facilities for this purpose, most of which are combined with the Naval Reserve training centers. We are requesting joint construction with the Naval Reserve at the two replacement training centers mentioned above, plus the purchase of one Marine Corps Reserve training center now in use.

Gentlemen, this concludes my statement. I am prepared to discuss the individual line items at your convenience.

Senator STENNIS. Back to your money now. The total amount of your request for all these purposes you have outlined is how much? In this bill I mean?

Admiral RENKEN. $6,450,000, sir.

Senator STENNIS. You are going to spend all that money in just one segment of it here. You say in 1961 the foregoing facilities will be situated at 458 locations throughout the country.

You are not going to put much at any one location if you hit 458 of them, with $6 million.

Admiral RENKEN. No; the total amount as first envisioned from the field amounted to some $20 million, but through screening, rescreening, and revised cost estimates plus the use of joint facilities, it has been brought down to less than $7 million.

Senator STENNIS. You still say facilities are going to be situated at 458 different locations. That is on page 3 about one-third of the way down.

Admiral RENKEN. Of course, many of these we will not touch at this time; it is still just 458 throughout the United States that we have active training, sir.

Senator STENNIS. You don't propose to spend money at those?
Admiral RENKEN. No; not at all of them.

Senator ENGLE. Your remark about use of joint facilities interests me, sir. The Air Force and the Army, they all have their reserves. Now, you do try to make joint use of facilities, do you?

Admiral RANKEN. Yes; that is part of the screening process, every one of them.

Senator ENGLE. And everybody gets in on it I suppose. If you have a facility the Army can use they are required to do it. I think that is a fine thing. I am glad to see that occur, especially where they are building these places. I would say this is a very modest request.

Senator STENNIS. Yes. I don't see where they can do much with it, nationwide just $6 million plus. Is there an item or two here that is going to take up a large percentage of that money? As I remember one year you had to spend nearly all your money on one project. What are some of your large projects coming within this $6 million plus?

Admiral RENKEN. Glenview, Ill., $967,000 for overlay parking and taxi areas.

Senator STENNIS. What is your next largest item?

Admiral RENKEN. Willow Grove Naval Air Station, $575,000 for technical training buildings.

Senator ENGLE. Where is that located?

Admiral RENKEN. Willow Grove, Pa.

Senator STENNIS. You don't get into these rural States very much. It seems like you like to stay around the cities. Of course, I know you have got your manpower problems, but there is some fine talent gathered around through the country that you can't reach unless you get down on a little lower limb and get some small units.

Admiral RENKEN. There are many facets that go into this, availability of manpower as you say, the technical know-how of the individuals, particularly for the electronics training, very limited in some

cases.

Senator ENGLE. Do you have a book for us?

Senator STENNIS. Yes; we have books here. How much was your original request, $20 million you say?

Admiral RENKEN. That was the first request for needs.

Senator STENNIS. My observation is about your programs that it is utilization of talent, keeping men in training. It is one of the best investments you make as I see it, and you get more for your money tht way. You can't give it the spread you want. Is there anything else you want now, any other questions?

Mr. Nease, do you have anything else?

You haven't changed your program any since the bill was written up?

Admiral RENKEN. No, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Does any member of your staff wish to say anything?

Admiral RENKEN. Captain Corradi?

Captain CORRADI. I have a very brief statement about the status of the funds, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. We will be glad to hear from you, sir.

TESTIMONY OF CAPT. P. CORRADI, CEC, USN, DEPUTY CHIEF OF BUREAU OF YARDS AND DOCKS

Captain CORRADI. I am Capt. P. Corradi, Deputy Chief of the Bureau of Yards and Docks. As a prelude to the detail statement of testimony I would like to report briefly on the current status of the construction program.

As managers of the Navy's portion of the military construction appropriation, we are also accountable for previoushly authorized programs and the funds appropriated to support them.

For fiscal year 1960 we received new authorization for specific line items totaling $8.3 million and we were granted a new appropriation of $9 million to cover these items, plus other requirements such as planning, minor construction, replacement of damaged facilities, and emergency construction. Due to cancellations, rescissions, savings, and other economies we expect to end this fiscal year with no unfunded authorization and unused appropriation of about $3 million. The new appropriation being requested in this bill for fiscal year 1961 is $4 million which when combined with the unused $3 million will provide us with $7 million for use against the requested new authorization of $6.4 million for specific line items and $0.6 million for the open end requirements.

Thus it can be seen that the program and funds are in balance. This is a target which we have striven for for several years. Senator STENNIS. Do you gentlemen have any questions? Senator CANNON. Mr. Chairman, I notice on Glenview, Ill., you have overlay parking and taxi areas. You are spending quite a little money there. Yet your inventory shows you are going to reduce the number of aircraft that you have. You have some 61 aircraft now that you show and you plan ultimately to only have 49 there. Why this additional improvement then?

Commander MCGEE. I think I can answer that. The requirement is based on the more modern and heavier planes that we have in there now, not so much on the number of planes that are in there, actually the paving area is breaking up now from the weight of the planes.

The reason is based on the size and weight of the planes rather than the numbers.