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Starts On Additions To Existing Centers
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1 Jan 60


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Senator STENNIS. I hope you have been getting a little more attention from the Regular Army than you were a few years ago, General.

I believe the program is moving along well.
General WARREN. Very satisfactorily, sir.

Senator STENNIS. And you have some good units. You heard about what I said concerning the one I was privileged to visit down in North Carolina. I didn't understand why you took so long though to get these plans in.

You say you made this decision last fall some time, early enough, but you didn't get your revised plans in until after the House had passed the bill.

General SEEMAN. Sir, we were using the previous budget estimate at that time, and there is always a little decision as to whether you have got enough information really to come in with a new cost estimate or whether you should wait and sharpen your pencil a little bit more.

Senator STENNIS. All right, let's bring the Reserves on in here as early as you do the rest though. It seems to me they ought to stand

right on a par with the Regular Army. You get a lot for your money I think in reserve units. What about that, General Warren; do you agree with that?

General WARREN. We have been getting the full cooperation and support of the active establishment, sir, and we feel that the status of the Reserve, or condition is the highest'it has ever been in its history, and we thank you for your complimentary remarks.

Senator STENNIS. That is fine, splendid. Now Senator Engle, do you have something with reference to this program? Senator Cannon? We don't ordinarily cover all these different units, as you know, gathered throughout the United States.

What is the total amount of new authorization you are asking for now after you have revised your figures?

General WARREN. Slightly less than $13 million, $12.7 including the land acquisition, $12.1 is total construction.

Senator STENNIS. At that rate now how long will it take you to complete your present needs, physical equipment?

General WARREN. We require almost $208 million to complete our program. We are now down to $12 million annually, if we could retain the 24 million authorization per year, and we feel that we could obligate that much, then it necessarily would not take as long, but we are limited to $12 million. So it will take us that much longer.

Senator STENNIS. It is rather difficult for the committee to decide these matters unless we have some plans on the trestleboard here by the Army itself. General WARREN. We appreciate that, sir.

Senator STENNIS. We don't know where to turn, where to go to make additions and all. General WARREN. That is all we are requesting at this time, sir.

Senator STENNIS. It seems to me that $12 million requested to spread all over the United States is a mighty thin spread. You don't get very far at any particular place.

Senator ENGLE. I was going to ask, Mr. Chairman, how do you establish the priority to set up these recommendations?

General WARREN. It is almost the same as was explained by General McGowan. Except we do not have State limitations. We have the Army areas. Each Army commander reviews and surveys the requirements within his respective Army. It is based upon first the strength of the unit, the authorized strength and its attained strength, the availability of adequate facilities, the need for the constructed center and availability of a site. The Army commander then lists these projects in his own priority. Each Army commander sends his program to the Department of the Army where it is reviewed by our staff, and the best qualified projects throughout the United States, not by State, but the entire United States are included in our final program.

Senator ENGLE. What are you driving at here? I see you have a total requirement of what is it?

General WARREN. That is what we will have attained at the end of this year if we get the money we are asking for. We actually require 1,100 plus constructed centers to take care of all of our existing units. Senator ENGLE. 602 is what? Is that estimated you will have at the end of this fiscal year? I am looking at the chart attached to your statement.

Senator STENNIS. Six hundred and forty two. General WARREN. We will have 461, sir, at the end of fiscal year 1960. 642 will be required in the future after that, to bring us up to a total of 1,103.

Senator ENGLE. How are you getting along without them now?
General WARREN. Many of our facilities are leased, sir.
General SEEMAN. Leased or donated.

Senator ENGLE. In other words, you have facilities. You just have not built them yet? You are leasing them?

General SEEMAN. That is correct.

Senator ENGLE. I can't understand what occurred here in 1958 and 1959 on this next chart, U.S. Army Reserve Construction which starts on additions to existing centers. It looks to me like you have blown hot and cold here.

In 1960 it says you had a target of 79 and it says the actual was zero. That is about as bad a score as a fellow can have.

How did that happen?

General WARREN. We have a target of 79, sir, 64 out of 79 additions have been advertised for construction, and 22 have already been awarded. None of them has been completed. They all will have been, or practically all will have been contracted for before the end of the fiscal year.

We didn't get any money at all in the first two quarters and could not go ahead and advertise for bids. We did not get any money until December 8.

General SEEMAN. This is actually as of January 1. The chart was made out as January 1.

Senator ENGLE. This zero there, is? General SEEMAN. It means that the money had not been apportioned to the extent of actually authorizing a contract, advertising and an award.

Senator ENGLE. And you had no starts at all ? General SEEMAN. Up until that date, yes, sir. Senator ENGLE. Do you expect to hit your target of 79 ? General WARREN. Very close to it as I said yes, sir. Senator ENGLE. Starts? General WARREN. Yes. Senator STENNIS. Starts on additions; is that it? General WARREN. At present we have advertised for bids for 43 centers and 19 have actually been awarded to date, and of the additions, 64 have been advertised for out of 79, and 22 have actually been awarded. We didn't get any money for construction until the 8th of December, which delayed our program.

Senator ENGLE. You are not enlarging the reserve during this programed period of construction? General WARREN. That is correct. Senator ENGLE. Which goes up to 1,103, total units? General WARREN. Yes, sir, total new centers required.

Senator ENGLE. You are now leasing places for these operations and your long-range plan is to build for them?

General WARREN. That is correct.

Senator ENGLE. So that you don't have to pay the rental money; you think that that will be cheaper ?

General WARREN. Yes, sir, it is.

General SEEMAN. Not only rental, sir, the fact that some of them are just inadequate as a training facility. We have a meeting place but as far as training is concerned it is inadequate even though you have leased it.

Senator ENGLE. Thank you very much.

Senator STENNIS. Thank you very much, General Warren, and you gentlemen on the staff. We appreciate your appearance here.

I feel every year that this program ought to move faster, your construction program. Frankly I hardly know how to do it without more guidance from the Army, a higher level figure here. Thank you for coming in. We are glad to have you.


NAVAL OPERATIONS, U.S. NAVY Senator STENNIS. Admiral Renken, come right around. We are glad to have you here with us and your staff too. You have a prepared statement. Do you wish to read it or summarize it?

Admiral RENKEN. It is not very long and I would like to read it, sir.

Senator STENNIS. As you see fit.

Admiral RENKEN. Mr. Chairman, and gentlemen of the committee, I appreciate this opportunity to appear before you today in support of the military construction, Naval Reserve Forces program, which is so vital to the training and effectiveness of our reserve components.

In the years 1946 through 1952, the Navy and the Marine Corps reestablished their reserve programs. Facilities to support these programs were acquired in some 500 locations throughout the States where interest and population were estimated to justify the establishment of reserve units.

These areas all were canvassed carefully to determine if existing facilities, either of prewar construction or World War II surplus, were available and could be utilized to provide the needed training facilities.

In communities where such facilities could not be otherwise acquired, the Congress authorized funds to erect armories utilizing war surplus Quonset or Butler buildings to provide the majority of the needed interior space and a connecting headhouse to provide additional space and an acceptable frontal view. Some of the facilities utilized were on long-term lease and some of the Quonset-type armories were constructed on leased land.

Training centers supporting 200—1,500 reservists each were established in the larger communities as the population potential warranted. In smaller communities and, wherever possible, in close proximity to colleges or universities where the caliber of recruits could be expected to be higher, we established electronics facilities, whose primary purpose was to train the technical personnel so essential to the electronics and related fields.

Since that time, changes in equipment, training techniques and operational requirements have necessitated changes to, or replacement

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