Senator STENNIS. All right, there will be no meetings then of this subcommittee tomorrow. I think I stated the other day when General Seeman was here, and I will repeat it now for emphasis, I went out one Sunday with an Army Reserve unit down at Durham, N.C. They were having target practice that day and shooting for a record, and even though I could not stay for lunch, I went on over where they were preparing the meeting, and I was very much pleased with what I saw in this unit. It was right down to the earth infantry unit. I don't know what you call them, these days, but it was the men in the pits with the rifles who do the shooting, and they had a fine group of young officers there too, young businessmen, professional men from the whole surrounding area, and they had a good group of enlisted men and they were serious about it. It was a cold rainy wet morning, but they were out there early. I know some of them said they left home at 4 o'clock that morning, and I was impressed too with the meal they were preparing to serve these men out there. They had green salad and everything of that type.

It speaks mighty well for your units and I wish I could come in contact with more. All right, General Seeman, are you ready to proceed your matters.

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TESTIMONY OF MAJ. GEN. LYLE E. SEEMAN, DIRECTOR OF INSTALLATIONS, OFFICE, DIRECTOR OF INSTALLATIONS, DCSLOG, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

General SEEMAN. I have a few sentences to put the Army National Guard and Army Reserve Constitution program into perspective, and will submit my prepared statement for the record. For the Army National Guard new authorization proposed in fiscal year 1961, at $12,168,000 would provide 65 new armories, 13 projects for conversions of present armories and 7 nonarmory projects which are summer training and supply and administrative facilities. For the Army Reserve the proposed authorization is $12,786,000 for fiscal year 1961 which would provide 42 new Army Reserve centers and 16 projects which are additions to present centers.

There are some small cost increases in our latest figures, sir, which we have provided in the Reserve program in the books which have been developed since we originally put our program together last fall. On the basis of those remarks, Mr. Chairman, I will not take any more time from the witnesses of the guard and Reserve and the committee that might have questions.

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STATEMENT OF MAJ, GEN. LYLE E. SEEMAN

Mr. Chairman and members of the Armed Services Committee, I am very happy to again have the pleasure of appearing before this subcommittee to present the Army's fiscal year 1961 military construction program. I am now addressing myself to the Army portion of title VI of the military construction bill which is under consideration by your committee. I shall cover the general aspects of the requests for Army Reserve and Army National Guard facility construction. Representatives of the Army Reserve and Army National Guard are present to respond in detail to any questions regarding their respective programs.

For the Army Reserve, the proposed authorization of $12,786,000 for fiscal year 1961 would provide 42 new Army Reserve centers and 16 projects which are

additions to present centers. These additions are chiefly for training space and vehicle maintenance space essential to the training program. The Army Reserve authorization program is based on revised scope and construction criteria approved by the Department of Defense. The project estimates for the new criteria are changed from the amounts previously shown in our authorization program and which appear in the bill S. 3006 now before you. We are requesting that these later cost estimates be reflected in title VI of S. 3006 together with cost changes for 1 project in Public Law 85-685 (fiscal year 1959 authorization) and 10 projects in Public Law 86-149 (fiscal year 1960 authorization). The Army Reserve witness will go into more detail on this matter.

For the Army National Guard the proposed fiscal year 1961 authorization of $12,168,000 would provide 65 new armories, 13 projects for conversion of present armories, and 7 nonarmory projects which are summer training and supplyadministrative facilities.

This new authorization, added to valid carryover, will provide a total authorization of $16.1 million for the Army Reserve and $24.1 million for the Army National Guard. The Army proposes to request new obligational authority of $12 million for the Army Reserve and $8 million for the National Guard, which when added to carryover funds available from fiscal year 1960 will total $14.1 million for the Army Reserve and $23.2 million for the National Guard. Our proposed fiscal year 1961 obligations are planned at $12 million for the Army Reserve and $20 million for the Army National Guard.

As in the case of the Active Army authorization and funding levels, we believe the carryovers of the Reserve Forces construction are at the minimum level for preserving working program continuity.

The Army estimates that the remaining facilities requirement after fiscal year 1961 will be 608 new Reserve centers out of the total present requirement estimated at 1,800 (which includes leased and donated facilities); and 467 National Guard armories out of an estimated net requirement of 2,732 when the construction program is completed. Additionally, there will be a requirement for approximately 353 modifications of existing armories. We continue to exploit all possible joint use of National Guard and Reserve assets as well as joint use with other Navy and Air Force Reserve units.

This concludes my presentation of the proposed military construction authorization for the Reserve components of the Army which is contained in the bill before you. The detailed justifications for projects to support the facilities for which we are requesting authorization are contained in two books. Sufficient copies have been furnished to the committee counsel for each of the committee members.

Maj. Gen. D. W. McGowan, the Chief of the National Guard Bureau, and Maj. Gen. F. M. Warren, the Chief, Army Reserve and ROTC Affairs, are both here to present their respective programs. Since our appearance before you last year, General Warren has succeeded General Palladino who was given new and increased responsibilities.

Senator STENNIS. You have a book on this?

General SEEMAN. Yes, sir; we have two books.

Senator STENNIS. Will you give each member of the committee a book?

General SEEMAN. The committee has been furnished with this, sir. Senator STENNIS. Let me ask you how are you coming along with the money we appropriated last year? One year you gentlemen did not spend any of the money we appropriated on this program, or that is very little of it, either the Army Reserve or the Army National Guard. What about it this year?

General SEEMAN. The money which was appropriated over the President's program, sir, was held in reserve. This is available. Senator STENNIS. For 1960.

General SEEMAN. It was not apportioned for fiscal year 1960, sir. It is available and will be used in our 1961 program.

Senator STENNIS. How much is that?

General SEEMAN. The total amount for the Reserve in new obligation authority will be $12 million and $8 million for the National Guard. These figures when added to the carryover funds available from fiscal year 1960 will total $14.1 million for the Army Reserve and $23.2 million for the National Guard.

Senator STENNIS. Give us a starting point now. I want to know how much money you are going to carry forward from your 1960 funds. Let's get that first.

General SEEMAN. In the guard it amounts to about $15 million carried forward, $12 million appropriated over the President's budget plus $3 million nominal amount. In the Reserve the amount is also nominal, just $1 million or $2 million, sir. These nominal amounts provide a continuity of programing at the start of each fiscal year. Senator STENNIS. $2 million; that will give us a starting point in our thinking.

General SEEMAN. Yes; there was no appropriation over the President's budget for the Reserve centers as I recall.

Senator STENNIS. How much was that over the President's program in the 1960 budget now for the guard? I have forgotten.

General SEEMAN. About $12 million.

Senator STENNIS. And you have not spent any of that?
General SEEMAN. No; that has been held in reserve, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Does that mean there is no use putting any additional money in here at this time regardless of how urgent it may be, that it won't be spent. Is that correct?

General SEEMAN. No; our new obligation request for the two components both will have a money request before your appropriation committee, sir; $8 million for the guard and $12 million for the

Reserve.

Senator STENNIS. You plan to use this money we have appropriated for 1960, you are going to use it in 1961?

General SEEMAN. Yes, sir; it is carried forward as available.

Senator STENNIS. Frankly, I don't think we ought to do that. I think if you don't use money we ought to take a new start and take a new look at the program, but I see your point all right. You want to get into the line items now, General?

General SEEMAN. General McGowan is present, sir.

Senator STENNIS. General, we are glad to have you here, sir. You always know your lesson. We will be glad to have you explain the overall parts of the program and then anything special and I have a few questions here for you if I may, but you take the lead.

TESTIMONY OF MAJ. GEN. D. W. MCGOWAN, CHIEF, NATIONAL GUARD BUREAU

General MCGOWAN. I welcome this opportunity to report on the requirements of the Army National Guard construction program, the progress to date and future requirements, by projects and dollars, for armories and other facilities. The Army National Guard completed reorganization to the pentomic concept in October 1959 and this presentation is based on the new troop structure.

Based on new inventory and stationing plans for each State, the National Guard Bureau and the Department of the Army recently

completed a study to determine the status of existing armory facilities and the requirements for construction in future fiscal years.

I have four charts to illustrate our construction program.
Chart No. 1 (total armory facilities).

The total armory requirement to house the 4,388 federally recognized units of the Army National Guard as of July 1, 1959, is 2,732— as shown by the bar on the left.

These facilities are in two categories: First, 729 State-owned armories are adequate; second, of the 1,061 armories constructed with Federal participation, 982 are considered adequate, while the remaining 79 require some alteration, expansion, or slight conversion. This 79, when added to the 942 remaining requirement, produces a total of 1,021 armory projects contained in fiscal year 1960 and future years' construction programs.

Chart No. 2 (armory requirements).

The bar on the left of this chart represents these 1,021 armories. which as of July 1, 1959, required construction of some type of adequately housing the units of the reorganized Army National Guard. The bar in the center represents the 378 existing armories which require alteration, expansion, or conversion.

The bar on the right shows the 643 complete new armories required to be built. These armories will replace interim or inadequate facilities which were constructed or provided with no Federal participation. As shown by the tickmarks of this requirement for 643 new armories the fiscal year 1960 $15 million obligation ceiling will permit ús to build approximately 85 new armories and to alter, expand, or convert 8 more in fiscal year 1960.

The remaining requirement left for future construction in fiscal year 1961 and later years will be 558 new armories and 370 existing armories to be altered, expanded, or converted.

Chart No. 3 (armory construction funds).

Now, I would like to briefly cover the status of armory construction funds.

Ninety-five million dollars is now the remaining appropriation requirement. As shown by the bar on the left, $239 million is the total Federal investment required, based on the reorganized Army National Guard. Of this, Congress has already appropriated $144 million through fiscal year 1960, leaving $95 million shown on the right as the remaining appropriation requirement from fiscal year 1961 forward. Senator STENNIS. Do we understand that the $95 million, plus the appropriation for this year, would build all your requirements?

General McGoWAN. $95 million, sir, represents our total requirement for the future which has not yet been appropriated for by the Congress. The $144 million has been appropriated through fiscal year 1960.

Senator STENNIS. All right, proceed.

General MCGOWAN. Chart No. 4 (armory construction obligations). This chart graphically portrays armory construction progress under the provisions of the National Defense Facilities Act of 1950, as amended, by dollar obligations from fiscal year 1953 through fiscal year 1960.

Obligations progressed from $6 million in fiscal year 1953 to the high points of $26 million plus in fiscal years 1956 and 1957. Funding

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restrictions held obligations in fiscal year 1958 to $13.1 million. The fiscal years 1959 and 1960 obligations reflect the continued limitation placed on annual obligations.

The financial plan for fiscal year 1961 which indicates an increase, provides for construction involving 114 armory projects at $16 million.

The request for construction authorization submitted for your approval contains 70 armory projects and 1 item for minor construction. Approximately 49 of these armory projects will be in our funding plan for fiscal year 1961. The balance will be carried forward into fiscal year 1962.

Senator STENNIS. Repeat that now, will you, those that you are asking authorizations for totaled a certain figure?

General McGOWAN. A total of 70; yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. And that is how much money, $15 million?

General McGOWAN. We are asking authorization for 70 armory projects plus 1 item for minor construction and approximately 49 of these armory projects will be in our funding plan for construction in fiscal year 1961.

Senator STENNIS. What is the money, for the 70, what does that total?

General McGOWAN. $8.99 million, sir.

General SEEMAN. That is the appropriation request. The actual authorization request totals about $12.168.

Senator STENNIS. And you are going to get the remainder of your money for these 49 projects from the funds you have left over, or are you just asking for $8.99?

General McGoWAN. To meet our construction program, under the $20 million obligation ceiling for fiscal year 1961 in round figures, sir, we will carry forward $12 million from this fiscal year and ask for 8 million new appropriation for 1961.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

General McGOWAN. Nonarmory construction. The request for construction authorization in fiscal year 1961 contains six projects for nonarmory construction. Four of these projects provide training facilities at field training sites and two provide facilities for USPFŎ activities. All six projects are contained in the fiscal year 1961 funding plan.

This concludes my statement. I shall be glad to answer any questions the chairman or committee members may have. (The charts referred to follow :)