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Your next item, your amendments? Wait a minute-here is an item, though, before we get to those amendments.

Senator Morse has introduced a bill, an amendment here:
On page 55, between lines 22 and 23, insert the following:

"SEC. 512. (a) Notwithstanding any other provisions of law, the Secretary of the Navy is authorized, upon such terms and conditions as he may determine to be in the public interest, to convey to the State of Oregon the lands, including acquired and public domain lands, comprising the Boardman Bombing Range * * * "

Are you familiar with that one?
Admiral Chew. Yes, sir; I am, Mr. Chairman.
(The amendment referred to follows:)

[H.R. 10777, 86th Cong., 2d sess. ] AMENDMENTS Intended to be proposed by Mr. MORSE (for himself and Mr.

LUSK) to the bill (H.R. 10777) to authorize certain construction at military installations, and for other purposes, viz: On page 55, between lines 22 and 23, insert the following:

“Sec. 512. (a) Notwithstanding any other provisions of law, the Secretary of the Navy is authorized, upon such terms and conditions as he may determine to be in the public interest, to convey to the State of Oregon the lands, including acquired and public domain lands, comprising the Boardman Bombing Range in the State of Oregon, as delineated on a map designated as War DepartmentOffice of the Division Engineer-North Pacific Division-Real Estate-Boardman Precision Bombing Range, approved February 17, 1947, drawing numbered 0-3152. The conveyance of such lands to the State of Oregon shall be made in exchange for a conveyance, without restriction as to use, to the United States of such lands of the State of Oregon as the Secretary of the Navy shall find suitable for use as a bombing range, and upon payment by the State of Oregon to the United States of such amount as the Secretary of the Navy determines to represent the total of (1) the difference, if any, between the fair market value of the property so conveyed by the Secretary of the Navy and the fair market value of the land accepted in exchange therefor, and (2) the cost to the Department of the Navy of providing a complete substitute facility on the State lands so acquired.

(b) The State of Oregon shall agree to be primarily liable and hold the United States harmless from any claims for personal injury or property damage resulting from the condition of the lands conveyed by the United States.

"(c) The money to be received by the Secretary of the Navy in connection with such exchange shall be covered into the Treasury as a miscellaneous receipt, except that such amount thereof as represents the cost of providing a complete substitute facility shall be available to the Secretary of the Navy for such purpose.”

On page 55, line 23, strike out “SEC. 512" and insert in lieu thereof “Sec. 513”. Senator STENNIS. What do you have to say about that!

Admiral Chew. This is a land exchange. The State of Oregon wishes to acquire the Boardman Bombing Range, and they have offered, in exchange for this particular piece of property, other property for use for the bombing target.

This is a straight exchange, and provided there is no expense to the Navy it would be acceptable to us. We have written a letter to the Governor of Oregon, and feel that the negotiations will be carried forth.

This is a bona fide requirement. Actually, we need the bombing range, and if the State of Oregon wants to have the present land, we feel they should have it, provided they give us land in exchange.

Senator STENNIS. Is this a dollar-for-dollar swap on valuation? Admiral Chew. This is a land-for-land swap.

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Senator STENNIS. I know, but on evaluation, do you think it is of about the same yalue?

Admiral Chew. We have requested that the Governor of Oregon-there are very limited facilities on a bombing range, very minimal facilities for instrumenting the fall of the practice bombs, and certain living facilities—we have asked him that he provide, that is, the State of Oregon provide, the funds so there will be no expense to the Federal Government and to the Navy.

Admiral PELTIER. Mr. Chairman, this has the Morse amendment, so called, with the difference in valuation to be paid to the Government.

Senator STENNIS. All right. Thank you.

Mr. Nease says that Congressman Uĩlman has sent us an additional request. He seems to have an amendment to the Morse amendment. Would you take this and make a study of it?

All right; so any difference in value between the items of land that may finally be exchanged under the terms of the amendment will be paid by the State to the Navy, or to the Federal Treasury; is that correct.

Admiral Chew. Federal Treasury. The conditions would be that there would be no expense to the Navy in the exchange, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Well, I know, having no expense is one thing, but suppose you are giving up $100,000 worth of land and you are getting only $50,000 in return.

Admiral PELTIER. Miscellaneous Receipts would get the difference, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. But the amount to be paid would be the $50,000; would that be correct?

Admiral PELTIER. That is correct.

Senator STENNIS. And it would go into the miscellaneous receipts. All right; thank you very much.

Now, go back to your deficiencies.


Admiral Chew. That is page 78, sir.
Senator STENNIS. All right.
Total amount, $500,000; is that right?
Admiral CHEW. Pardon me for just a second, Mr. Chairman.
This is $500,000 for a bombing range to take care of additional cost,
Mr. Chairman. I think Admiral Peltier can speak to that, sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right, Admiral Peltier.
Admiral PELTIER. We had initially five items authorized
Senator STENNIS. Yes.

Admiral PELTIER (continuing). At a total cost of $2,224,000. We have constructed four of the items—pardon me, there were six items initially. We constructed five of the items at a cost of $1,798,000. We need to construct this last item and we have a deficiency of $500,000 to construct this bombing range.

The land that we were initially going to buy has gone up some in price, and the communications facilities have gone up from the original estimate.


Senator STENNIS. How did you miss that photographic laboratory by so much, Admiral-$458,000 and $236,000!

Admiral PELTIER. Well, that was probably a poor estimate, along with maybe a little increased requirement that went into it.

Senator STENNIS. What about your communications facilities? That is an old standard item.

Admiral PELTIER. There, again, it was—it cost us $616,000, and we originally had estimated $419,000.

Senator STENNIS. There is not a great amount of money involved, Admiral, but it is a large percentage.

Admiral PELTIER. Yes, sir. The estimates were just too low in most

Senator STENNIS. Does this tie in in any way with the Rodman range that you seem to have somewhere near there?

Admiral PELTIER. Yes; it is. It is part of it, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Well, you had to have additional authorization for that or additional-your figures were too low on that?

Mr. TIENCKEN. We had to come in and get reapproval of the committee because the land costs had come up, and we will have the same thing in connection with Baywood, the second target in this program, that we have a project before the subcommittee now for reapproval for the same land at a higher price.

Senator STENNIS. Well, are the two tied together? Do they operate together? Why do you have two bombing ranges there so close together?

Captain BRIDGERS. There are different types of use, Mr. Chairman. One is for one type of practice and one for the other. They are in close proximity and in the same general area, but their use is different.

Senator STENNIS. I thought a bombing range was a bombing range. Captain BRIDGERS. No, sir; there are various kinds. There are high level and dive and loft, and the techniques are quite different; and they cannot be conducted simultaneously, nor are the requirements identical.

Senator STENNIS. Well, I would just imagine you would not bomb every day anyway. Each man would not, would he? Don't you rotate them?

Captain BRIDGERS. Sir, those targets are in use practically every day during daylight hours, not these particular targets because we don't have them, but similar ones on the west coast which we do have.

Senator STENNIS. You have not gotten to targets yet here?
Captain BRIDGERS. We do not have the targets.

Senator STENNIS. What kind of targets are they, Captain? You say you do not have the targets; what kind of targets are they, Captain ?

Captain BRIDGERS. These particular targets we are talking about? Senator STENNIS. Yes.

Captain BRIDGERS. While both are so-called multipurpose targets, one would be used as a loft bombing target, sir and, the other as a high-level bombing target, the difference being that in the high level the practice bombs are dropped in horizontal flight from a high altitude, so you can see the possibility of error is quite great. With the other type, the possibility of error is much less, but the requirement for the run-in requires more unobstructed land and greater airspace.

Senator STENNIS. All right.



Admiral Chew. The next item, Mr. Chairman, is at the Naval Station in the District of Columbia for retrenchment of facilities.

We discussed the highway going through there, and the original estimate was $650,000 for retrenchment. This is an increase of $200,000 made necessary because of the responsibility of demolition that we now must foot the bill for, sir.

Senator STENNIS. You mean that is down here at Anacostia ?

Admiral Chew. Yes, sir. This is the so-called old station that the freeway goes through, the ones that we want to relocate, at the new Naval Station at Anacostia, the ones that Admiral Wilson spoke of; the people live there right now.

Senator STENNIS. Back to these bombing ranges a minute, gentlemen. Senator Cannon had to be away today. He is a pilot, as you know, and he has been concerned, as the Chair understands, with respect to these bombing facilities you have down there. He raised the point of why you had to have a new one.

Is there anything you want to say on that, why you have to have new bombing ranges?

Captain BRIDGERS. Because this is not entirely a new complex, sir. It is partially a replacement for some old targets.

There were two problems with the old targets. One is the physical area on the ground was inadequate for safety, and they were located both quite close to one of our big operating air stations, and also under a rather major airline. There was the problem of airspace and lack of adequate ground space. That was the reason for replacement.

Senator STENNIS. All right.


MAINE Admiral Chew. Yes.

Senator STENNIS. Page 80. My goodness, you have gone up on your price here. More of that transmission, $7,300,000.

Admiral PELTIER. This is one that we talked about this morning.
Senator STENNIS. Yes. Will this finish it up?
Admiral PELTIER. Yes.
Senator STENNIS. This particular part?
Admiral Chew. Yes, this finishes it up, sir.

Admiral PELTIER. We are about 98 percent obligated now, so we know this will do the job.

Senator STENNIS. Yes. All right, next item.


Admiral Chew. The next item we also discussed this morning, Mr. Chairman, the item at Sugar Grove, W. Va., for an increase of $17,800,000, sir. Senator STENNIS. As I recall you said new field, new frontier

vou just did not have the basis for your calculations and

-xacting requirements on it?


Admiral PELTIER. Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. As I mentioned this morning, this is basically in six areas, the structural steel, the drives, the aluminum panels, the operations building, instrumentation, and utilities.

Senator STENNIS. Do you want to go into this any more in executive session?

Admiral PELTIER. Not necessarily. There is nothing classified about this part of it.

Senator STENNIS. You say here you are only 38 miles east of Harrisonburg, Va.

Admiral PELTIER. Just over the mountain.

Senator STENNIS. All right. You feel competent of your figures that this will wrap it up?

Admiral PELTIER. Not on this one, I would not want to promise that because we have taken some bids on this, and believe the contractors are including a substantial contingency. We are examining that now as well as the tolerances we are requiring because of our belief that they are putting in quite a contingency item. We are trying to find out just what is causing this to see whether our requirements should be reduced.

Senator STENNIS. How much competition is there in an item of this kind?

Admiral PELTIER. Granted a lot of these items cannot be built by very many people, but we have been getting at least three bids on all of these items so far.

Senator STENNIS. I thought maybe we would get about one.

Admiral PELTIER. On the drives we started out with 12 bidders, but only 4 submitted bids. The drives came in higher than we estimated so we are examining that now. We got those bids last week.

Senator STENNIS. I understand then back on the Washington County, Maine, installation that you will wrap that up?

Admiral PELTIER. We are firmed up there, Mr. Chairman.
Senator STENNIS. All right.
Well, it is also very timely when you cannot be certain to say so.

Admiral PELTIER. We cannot say on this. We know we are going to have to do something on the bids we have now on the Sugar Grove project.

Senator STENNIS. All right.
What is your next, Admiral?



Admiral Chew. The next is section 204, Mr. Chairman, on family housing. All of the housing proposed falls within one or more of three categories which require construction of public quarters. Quarters will be constructed at stations which are new or are undergoing major increases; at isolated stations, where otherwise no housing will be available; or to replace temporary or inadequate housing. Most of the latter is World War II temporary housing which is now substandard, and is costing too much to maintain and operate. The pro

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