a part thereof; and to provide support for the naval guided missiles schools; and for other related functions. That is the mission of this Fleet Air Defense Training Center.

The expanding training requirements in guided missiles, the POLARIS program and the new naval tactical data system, have resulted in a considerable increase in the enlisted personnel loading. These facilities are for housing this increased training load, sir. We have a requirement for 2,480 spaces, and these barracks will leave us with a deficiency of 1,600 spaces.

Senator STENNIS. How many men do you have in training there, students-882, I believe? You are going to increase that to 1,418? Why is that increase necessary?

Admiral CHEW. This is because of the advent of missiles into the fleet arsenal, and the training required for the new types of weapons, sir, which also include the so-called naval tactical data system.

Senator STENNIS. Well, now, when it comes to air defense, you don't take any particular major part in the air defense of the Nation, do you, ground-to-air?

Admiral CHEW. You are vitally concerned with the air defense of your own task force, and this is the air defense at sea.

Senator STENNIS. Yes. But I mean ground-to-air, you do not have any mission in that?

Admiral CHEW. Well, it is ship-to-air, sir, from our point of view. Senator STENNIS. Yes.

I notice you say "antiaircraft." You do not-antiaircraft, AA gunfire. How do you defend these carriers? You have that for lowflying planes?

Admiral CHEW. In the transition into the missile age, we still have guns for close-in work; we have missiles for farther out, and then, of course, we have our own interceptors.

This is primarily designed for the air defense of a task force, sir; and the tactics which have to be studied and mastered before that air defense can be made effective.

Senator STENNIS. These men you are training, they are your enlisted men who have been selected for this work?

Admiral CHEW. Enlisted men and officers, sir.
Senator STENNIS. All right.

Next item.

NAVAL TRAINING CENTER, GREAT LAKES, ILL.

Admiral CHEW. The fourth project is for alterations to station entrances and roads at the estimated cost of $125,000 at the Naval Training Center, Great Lakes, Ill. This center provides basic recruit training, and primary, advanced, and specialized training for officer and enlisted personnel of the Regular Navy and the Naval Reserve. State Highway Route 42 borders the main station area and is the principal access road to the reservation. The highway carries a heavy volume of traffic, making the present on-grade station entrances from the road extremely hazardous. The State is now planinng to improve the road to a four-lane divided highway. These plans incorporate training center recommendations for location and design of grade separation structures for local traffic interchange which will permit

grade-separated station entrances. This will require on-station road alteration and construction to connect these grade separations. The new State constructed grade separation ramps will not be completely functional with the existing roads until completion of this project. It will be impracticable to use the two present entrance roads after the new highway is built.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

Next item.

FLEET SONAR SCHOOL BUILDING, KEY WEST, FLA.

Admiral CHEW. Page 50, the construction of a fleet sonar school building at $922,000 at Key West, Fla.

This is for a school building in sonar, very similar to the school activities in Dam Neck for air defense. Our major sonar school is in Key West on the Atlantic coast and at San Diego on the Pacific coast. This is in conjunction with the ASW effort, and the new and improved types of sonar for defense against submarines.

Mr. Chairman, when I said $922,000, I should have said $1,002,000, an increase of $80,000.

Senator STENNIS. This is a new installation, is it not?

Admiral CHEW. Yes, sir; the sonar school is there now, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Only a $2 million investment there; improvements of $2 million?

Admiral CHEW. This is for the construction of a school to house and take care of the additional load.

Senator STENNIS. Is there anything else now going to be required to go with the school; will this involve additional barracks or anything of that kind?

sir.

Admiral CHEW. No, sir; no additional barracks are required here,

NAVAL STATION, WASHINGTON METROPOLITAN AREA, D.C.

Admiral CHEW. Fifty-two is the next page, unless you prefer to I thought perhaps you would care to discuss family housing in one group.

Page 51 is family housing; 52 is the next item at the naval station in the Washington metropolitan area.

Senator STENNIS. Well, 51 is not in my book. That is all right. What is on 51?

Admiral CHEW. That is Capehart housing.

Senator STENNIS. Capehart; for what place?

Admiral CHEW. At Monterey, Calif., sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

Admiral CHEW. Now, the final unclassified project, Mr. Chairman, is for the naval station in the Washington metropolitan area, and this station is needed as a replacement. I would like to emphasize that the existing naval receiving station at Anacostia is in the path of progress in the construction of the freeway.

The portion of the existing station which will not be occupied by this modern highway is to be cleared and restored to its previous use as a park.

In planning for the naval station, the Navy envisioned the utilization of the existing Government-owned facilities, built up and improved by the Navy over the years, at the Naval Air Station, Anacostia.

Availability of certain existing facilities, minimum cost, distance from places of work at the Pentagon and Navy Annex for the majority of personnel involved, were several of the factors favorable to the selection of this site.

Estimates of cost for the nine line items in this project have been made on the basis of this initial plan, with consideration having been given to maximum use of existing facilities now in place.

Senator STENNIS. What is your estimated total cost now of your entire plan?

Admiral CHEW. The total cost is about $25 million, sir; that is the total estimated cost. This increment would be $13,320,000, sir, which is a reduction, as I have given you, from the previous amount of $14,911,000.

This consists-would you prefer for me to go ahead with the line items in this particular increment, Mr. Chairman?

Senator STENNIS. Well, I do not know that it is necessary much to cover the line items. It is the whole concept of the thing that I was trying to get in my mind.

You said this morning there was a question here to taking care of 7,000 people, as I recall.

Admiral CHEW. Administrative services for 7,000. Actually living, there would be 3,500.

Senator STENNIS. 3,500; that is right.

Admiral CHEW. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. What is a receiving station; is that where you receive your new men?

Admiral WILSON. No, sir; that is a misnomer, really.

Admiral CHEW. It should be called a naval station.

Admiral WILSON. A naval station in that it provides the berthing and messing and the administrative chores necessary for the naval population on duty in the Washington area. We had previously changed, eliminated, the "receiving" out of the name long before this item came up. It is a naval station.

Senator STENNIS. Well, Admiral, here in a city that is already choked in and surrounded by a larger population than it has, how many Navy personnel do you have here in the city of Washington? Are you going to feed 3,500, or take care of 3,500 down there; how many do you have in all, approximately?

Admiral WILSON. Approximately 7,000 is about right.

This, as I said this morning, is a consolidation of a lot of scattered properties we have, and by consolidating this all in this one area, we are then able to relinquish 258 acres of land that we are now using. Senator STENNIS. Well, I do not know that it is necessary so much to cover the different items. There are $3 million here for a messhall Do these people eat now?

Admiral WILSON. They are fed at the old station, at the foot of the bridge, sir, and this is the part that is all temporary construction and of high maintenance cost as a result of its being temporary and, as Admiral Chew said, we have got to give up a considerable portion of it in order to permit construction of this new highway which has been planned.

This is one of the things that adds to the urgency of the project. Senator STENNIS. I do not know whether it is a suitable place to live down there or not. It seems to me it is right down there on the river, right at sea level, is it not?

Admiral WILSON. It is a little

Senator STENNIS. I mean for family housing. I do not know whether it would be suitable for a subdiviison of residences or not, but I just have a general feeling that the city needs some extra room. Admiral WILSON. This particular portion, and that the Planning Commission and the Bureau of the Budget have approved, is the lowest part of the entire Anacostia area, so far as the elevation is concerned.

Senator STENNIS. Do you have a huge military installation out here at Belvoir; is that the one that is so large the Army has it-and it would seem to me that there is space out there galore, and the people who work at these Government offices here in Washington, they cannot get in from down there, and it seems to me that you are just congesting more to have all your military personnel in there. If you could get out at Belvoir

Admiral WILSON. A large portion of these people are already down there, Senator.

As I said, in this old naval station, which this is replacing, they are already there; the traffic flow has been studied as a part of that plan and it is not a deterrent.

Senator STENNIS. I do not have any final or firm opinion on it. I was just feeling along. But I notice where you plan to put in a heliport.

I was on the subcommittee that considered the Anacostia and the Air Force, both being moved out, and air space was one of the main reasons to move them out. Now, you are going to put a heliport down there right next to the National Airport.

Admiral CHEW. No, sir. As you know, Mr. Chairman, it was the fixed aircraft operations that were required to be moved, because of the interference with the traffic pattern at Washington National. The heliport is already there and will remain there, and if I may go off the record a minute

Senator STENNIS. Yes.

(Discussion off the record.)

Senator STENNIS. Back on the record.

I did not know there was any exception made. I thought the whole thing was to clear out and get the air space, which everybody agreed was dangerous.

I was on the Subcommittee on Appropriations that considered the Burke site, you know.

Admiral CHEW. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. We could not get a majority to vote for the Burke site. I would not vote for it because I thought they could get a better one, and finally they agreed on a better place, and this all came into the picture.

Admiral CHEW. You are correct, sir, on getting the fixed wing aircraft out of the area. But this is only for a ready operational group of about five helicopters on operational readiness, so it would not interfere in any way with the normal operations at National Airport, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Well, I have about decided it would have been better to let you stay there and moved the National Airport because we had to put all this extra money over at Andrews, and now we are asked to put all this money down back at Anacostia. I know, the Air Force what did they have for Bolling? I am not critical of either one of them, but this thing has run into money, and we have been whipped on the legs by agreeing to so much for Andrews.

sir.

All right.

Is there anything else you want to say on that, Admiral?

Admiral CHEW. Nothing, except to reiterate the urgency of that,

Senator STENNIS. All right, Admiral.

Admiral WILSON. One other thing: If the air station would have had to remain at Anacostia, it would not have changed the situation on this because we would have had to have the housing for the people because they were very badly housed; they are all scattered around the city.

Admiral CHEW. I might add one other thing-the consolidation of the barracks from Arlington Hall. Those are very substandard and should be torn down. That will allow that consolidation, since they will eventually have to be torn down anyhow because there are plans for the expansion of Shirley Highway accesses to go through that land.

So they would have to move in a very similar fashion to those that are housed at Anacostia.

Senator STENNIS. Well, frankly, it would seem to me that you would like to get away from town and that low land next to the riverget on out; get some money to make a new start somewhere. All right. What is your next item?

COMMUNICATION FACILITIES

Admiral CHEW. The next group of projects in our program, Mr. Chairman, is communication facilities. The group includes 23 line items at 15 stations for $20,868,000. Of these line items eight, for $8,550,000, are at seven stations in the United States. The remaining 15 line items for $12,318,000 are at eight oversea stations. Two of these oversea stations, with eight line items for $9,492,000, are at classified locations. These projects will be discussed in executive session during the hearing on section 202 of the bill.

The purpose of these activities is to provide reliable, secure, and rapid communication for control of the operating forces; to perform security functions; and to facilitate administration of the Naval Establishment.