requirements for the Air Force planes have grown in the years since the Air Force started flying, and with development of new require ments. Senator STENNIS. I know. But it is rather discouraging to run into such marked differences here. You gentlemen have so much experience in these fields. All right, next item. General SEEMAN. The next item is Fort Bragg, N.C., on page 49, sir, where the outstanding authorization is $762,000, and the total estimated cost is $1,059,000, making a deficiency of $297,000. Here again it is the train-fire range that has not been built. Senator STENNIS. Now that train-fire range, what does that include? General SEEMAN. This is the range for the small arms where they have this realistic training, where a man goes through certain courses and there are pop-up targets by remote control, and the scoring is all by uniform Senator STENNIS. He shoots from what; what does he shoot from? General SEEMAN. He shoots sometimes from fixed ranges and sometimes from combat ranges. As he proceeds through a course there will be various pop-up targets, all remotely controlled, so he gets realistic training. Senator STENNIS. What is he shooting with? General SEEMAN. He is shooting with his personal arms, with his rifle. Senator STENNIS. All right. Next item. General SEEMAN. The next item on page 58 is Fort Campbell, Ky., and here again the deficiency is in the item of the train fire range. The motor repair shop is estimated at $8,000 less than the authorization. 63. Senator STENNIS. Yes; I can see that. General SEEMAN. And the rest are very close. Senator STENNIS. All right. Next item. General SEEMAN. The last item is the Fort Meade item on page This, you will recall, is the one we had last year which had the emergency power facility for the National Security Agency. The problem here, Mr. Chairman, is that there was at one time available a mobile powerplant from the Navy which the Department of Defense indicated would be available to the Army. This has now proven, as we have proceeded into design, to be unavailable, and we must now fund for the complete standby power facility of the National Security Agency. It is a question of where the computer and the rapid electronic machinery is very sensitive. Senator STENNIS. All right. General SEEMAN. That completes the deficiency items. Senator STENNIS. Yes. General, I want to make one comment here about your appearance before the committee. This is without any discredit, of course, to anyone personally who does not wear his uniform, but you always wear your uniform. I am proud of our Army uniform. I think all of you men are or should be, and I never have understood the philosophy of the military around here not wearing the uniform. You have got some kind of special order over there, haven't you, about wearing it, you have to go out and buy a lot of civilian clothes? General SEEMAN. So far as the Army is concerned, sir, we wear the uniform. Senator STENNIS. All the time, all of you? General SEEMAN. On duty. On Saturdays or off-duty hours in the evening we are permitted to come in-there is no hard and fixed rule, but the Chief of Staff has said it is his policy that during duty hours we wear the uniform. Senator STENNIS. Well, I like that. If a man is in the Army let him be in the Army, and it is a source of pride and distinction to wear the Army uniform, I think. All right. Anything further in open session? We will set up this executive session. We will get it when you get the other matters which we may want to ask you about and, of course, we will have the Reserve program, too. General SEEMAN. Yes, sir. Senator STENNIS. And you have it there real quick. Do you want to say something about the Reserve program now? General SEEMAN. I do have a general statement here, but the detailed support comes up with General McGowan and the National Guard. Senator STENNIS. All right. We will take all those later. Thank you, all of you again, and we will be letting you know when to come back, General. You are going to be on appropriations, too? General SEEMAN. Yes, sir. Senator STENNIS. All right. Thank you very much, gentlemen, all of you. The committee will take a recess until 10:30 o'clock tomorrow morning. (Whereupon, at 5:15 o'clock the committee adjourned, to reconvene tomorrow, Tuesday, April 12, 1960, at 10:30 a.m.) MILITARY CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZATIONS, FISCAL YEAR 1961 TUESDAY, APRIL 12, 1960 U.S. SENATE, SUBCOMMITTEE ON MILITARY CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES, Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met pursuant to recess at 10:35 a.m., in room 224, Old Senate Office Building. Present: Senator Stennis (presiding). Also present: Gordon A. Nease, professional staff member. I have a brief statement. We will continue our hearings this morning on S. 3006, the military construction authorization bill for fiscal year 1961. We are pleased to have with us again Hon. Cecil P. Milne, Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Material, Rear Adm. John L. Chew, and others too numerous to mention, together with members of their efficient staffs. The bill as originally submitted to the Congress contained a request for new authority in the amount of $137,851,000 for the Navy title, and a request for a supplemental or deficiency authorization totaling $25,800,000. In the House-passed bill, H.R. 10777, $133,426,000 was granted in new authority. There was no change in the deficiency requests. The Department of the Navy has also requested authorization for 4,117 units of family housing, of which 3,790 are to be Capehart units, 200 appropriated funds; and 127 Surplus Commodity Credit units. The Chair understands that the Navy may wish to address themselves to certain changes made by the House, and, of course, you will be given every opportunity to do this. In accordance, gentlemen, with the standing procedure and practice of the committee, I am going to ask the witnesses to please stand and be sworn, those who are going to testify on this bill. Do you and each of you solemnly swear the testimony before this committee today and in future days will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. MILNE. I do. Admiral WILSON. I do. Admiral PELTIER. I do. Captain BRIDGERS. I do. General ALLEN. I do. Commander THOMAS. I do. Senator STENNIS. Gentlemen, I wish you would turn your name in with the reporter so he can list those who have taken the oath here in the record at this point. You do not have to turn your name in just now but if you will please be certain to do that, we will have a complete record. I want to say this, gentlemen, just as one member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, but as a member who heard all the briefings this year given to the Armed Services Committee and Preparedness Investigating Subcommittee. Every one has an idea, of course, but someone has to write the appropriation bill and authorization bill and put the figures in, and under the order of things on this side of the Congress, this falls within our responsibilities here, and I am going to be governed by some conclusions that I have with reference to the need for a quick striking power that would give us some chance of getting there quick to brush-fire wars or trouble spots. I have a memorandum coming in a minute that is going to show exactly the number of commitments we have, and so-called mutual security pacts, with 40-odd nations, I think it is, around the world. Since meeting with you gentlemen, I have been to Asia for my first time, first trip, and it certainly gives you a concept of the responsibilities the Navy is carrying. We already had some vision of it in the Mediterranean but I will tell you, when you get out in that Pacific, it gives you a new idea of space and it gives you a new idea of naval chores, too. And I think your program to have carriers circling around these trouble spots, with planes ready to fly, with all kinds of weapons, is one of the most stabilizing influences in the world today. I know so far as patriotic pride and feeling of warm glow in your heart is concerned, I never had one that exceeded one Sunday morning flying out over the Pacific, I looked down there and saw a good portion of your fleet in there plowing through the seas; it was way over close to the Formosa area. I got the idea, too, that nothing has been settled over in that area of the world; unfortunately nothing has finally been settled. We just moved in there with these carriers and other striking power and things have quieted down. It is a great experience to me, gentlemen, and I owe a great deal to the fine impressions I have to the Navy and it gives me an additional appreciation for what you are doing. I may have something more formal to say about that later, but I wanted to at least advise you gentlemen of my own personal feelings along that line. Now, Mr. Secretary, you have a statement, I see here. You may read your statement or you may put it all in the record and emphasize the points that you have primarily in mind by a summary or you may proceed in your own way. TESTIMONY OF CECIL P. MILNE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE Mr. MILNE. I think it is quite short, Mr. Chairman. Mr. MILNE. Yes, sir, I prefer to. |