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'CREATING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SE-

CURITY: CONSIDERATION OF THE ADMINISTRA-
TION'S PROPOSAL

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON
OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND

COMMERCE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

JUNE 25 and JULY 9, 2002

Serial No. 107-113

Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Commerce

Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house

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COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE

W.J. “BILLY” TAUZIN, Louisiana, Chairman MICHAEL BILIRAKIS, Florida

JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan JOE BARTON, Texas

HENRY A. WAXMAN, California FRED UPTON, Michigan

EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts CLIFF STEARNS, Florida

RALPH M. HALL, Texas PAUL E. GILLMOR, Ohio

RICK BOUCHER, Virginia JAMES C. GREENWOOD, Pennsylvania EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York CHRISTOPHER COX, California

FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey NATHAN DEAL, Georgia

SHERROD BROWN, Ohio RICHARD BURR, North Carolina

BART GORDON, Tennessee ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky

PETER DEUTSCH, Florida GREG GANSKE, Iowa

BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois CHARLIE NORWOOD, Georgia

ANNA G. ESHOO, California BARBARA CUBIN, Wyoming

BART STUPAK, Michigan JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois

ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York HEATHER WILSON, New Mexico

TOM SAWYER, Ohio
JOHN B. SHADEGG, Arizona

ALBERT R. WYNN, Maryland
CHARLES "CHIP PICKERING, Mississippi GENE GREEN, Texas
VITO FOSSELLA, New York

KAREN MCCARTHY, Missouri
ROY BLUNT, Missouri

TED STRICKLAND, Ohio TOM DAVIS, Virginia

DIANA DEGETTE, Colorado ED BRYANT, Tennessee

THOMAS M. BARRETT, Wisconsin ROBERT L. EHRLICH, Jr., Maryland

BILL LUTHER, Minnesota STEVE BUYER, Indiana

LOIS CAPPS, California GEORGE RADANOVICH, California

MICHAEL F. DOYLE, Pennsylvania CHARLES F. BASS, New Hampshire

CHRISTOPHER JOHN, Louisiana JOSEPH R. PITTS, Pennsylvania

JANE HARMAN, California
MARY BONO, California
GREG WALDEN, Oregon
LEE TERRY, Nebraska
ERNIE FLETCHER, Kentucky

DAVID V. MARVENTANO, Staff Director

JAMES D. BARNETTE, General Counsel
REID P.F. STUNTZ, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel

SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS

JAMES C. GREENWOOD, Pennsylvania, Chairman MICHAEL BILIRAKIS, Florida

PETER DEUTSCH, Florida CLIFF STEARNS, Florida

BART STUPAK, Michigan PAUL E. GILLMOR, Ohio

TED STRICKLAND, Ohio RICHARD BURR, North Carolina

DIANA DEGETTE, Colorado ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky

CHRISTOPHER JOHN, Louisiana Vice Chairman

BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois CHARLES F. BASS, New Hampshire

JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan, ERNIE FLETCHER, Kentucky

(Ex Officio) W.J. “BILLY” TAUZIN, Louisiana

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Hearings held:

June 25, 2002

July 9, 2002

Testimony of:

Allen, Hon. Claude, Deputy Secretary, U.S. Department of Health and

Human Services

Anderson, Philip, Senior Fellow, Center for Strategic and International

Studies

Atlas, Ronald, President-Elect, American Society for Microbiology

Baumann, Jeremiah D., Environmental Health Advocate, U.S. Public

Interest Research Group

Cassell, Gail H., Vice President, Scientific Affairs, Distinguished Lilly

Research Scholar for Infectious Diseases, Eli Lilly and Company

Cobb, Donald D., Associate Director for Threat Reduction, Los Alamos

National Laboratory:

June 25, 2002

July 9, 2002

Copeland, Guy, Vice President, Information Infrastructure Advisory Pro-

grams, Federal Sector, Computer Sciences Corporation

Costantini, Lynn P., Director-Online Services, North American Electric

Reliability Council

Dacey, Robert F., Director, Information Security Issues, General Account-

ing Office

Gordon, General John A., Administrator, National Nuclear Security Ad-

ministration

Hamburg, Margaret A., Vice President, Biological Programs, Nuclear

Threat Initiative
Hauer, Jerome M., Director, Office of Public Health Emergency Prepared-

ness, Department of Health and Human Services

Heinrich, Janet, Director, Health Care and Public Health Issues, General

Accounting Office:

June 25, 2002

July 9, 2002

McDonnell, James F., Director, Energy Security and Assurance Program,

Department of Energy

Nokes, David, Director, Systems Assessment and Research Center,

Sandia National Laboratories

O'Toole, Tara, Director, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies, Johns

Hopkins University

Plaugher, Edward P., Chief, Arlington County Fire Department, Execu-

tive Agent, Washington Area National Medical Response Team

Ridge, Hon. Tom, Director of Transition Planning for Proposed Depart-

ment of Homeland Security and Assistant to the President for Home-

land Security

Smith, William, Executive Vice President, Network Operations,

BellSouth

Sobel, David L., General Counsel, Electronic Privacy Information Center .

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Stringer, Lew, Medical Director, Division of Emergency Management,

North Carolina Department of Crime Control and Public Safety
Sullivan, John P., Jr., President and Chief Engineer, Boston Water and

Sewer Commission
Tritak, John S., Director, Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office, De-

partment of Commerce
Vantine, Harry C., Program Leader, Counterterrorism and Incident Re-

sponse, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Varnado, Samuel G., Director, Infrastructure and Information Systems

Center, Sandia National Laboratories
Watson, Kenneth C., President, Partnership for Critical Infrastructure

Security, Cisco Systems, Inc
Additional material submitted for the record:

Ahern, Jason P., Assistant Commissioner, U.S. Customs Service, pre

pared statement of Brooks, Linton F., Acting Administrator, National Nuclear Security Ad

ministration, U.S. Department of Energy, prepared statement of Bryden, Robert A., Stff Vice President of Security, FedEx Corporation,

prepared statement of . Holsen, Jim, Vice President, Engineering, United Parcel Service, Inc.,

prepared statement of . Howe, Barry, Vice President, Thermo Electron Corporation, prepared

statement of
Jones, Gary, Director, Natural Resources and Environmental Issues, Gen-

eral Accounting Office, prepared statement of
Martin, Steven W., Director, Homeland Security, Pacific Northwest Na-

tional Laboratory, prepared statement of
Nokes, David, Director, Systems Assessment and Research Center,
Sandia

National Laboratories, prepared statement of
Panico, Frank, Manager, International Networks and Transportation,

U.S. Postal Service, prepared statement of
Shotts, Wayne J., Associate Director for Nonproliferation, Arms Comtrol

and International Security, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,
prepared statement of

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CREATING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND

SECURITY: CONSIDERATION OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL

TUESDAY, JUNE 25, 2002

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS,

Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:10 a.m., in room 2123, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. James C. Greenwood (chairman) presiding.

Members present: Representatives Greenwood, Stearns, Gillmor, Burr, Whitfield, Bass, Fletcher, Tauzin (ex officio), Deutsch, Stupak, Strickland, and DeGette.

Also present: Representatives Deal, Cubin, Waxman, Markey, Sawyer, Capps, and Harman.

Staff present: Tom DiLenge, majority counsel; Amit Sachdev, majority counsel; Ray Shepherd,

Ray Shepherd, majority counsel; Nandan Kenkeremath, majority counsel; Edith Holleman, minority counsel; and Chris Knauer, minority investigator.

Mr. GREENWOOD. The subcommittee will come to order. The Chair would announce before the commencement of opening statements that, pursuant to the rules, the chairman of the subcommittee and the ranking member and the chairman of the full committee and the ranking member of the full committee will be accorded 5 minutes for opening statements; other members of the subcommittee shall be accorded 3 minutes apiece.

We welcome the participation of other members of the full committee who are not members of the subcommittee, and should they arrive and wish to make opening statements, we will grant them timeyield them time, the amount of time being dependent upon how many of them there are.

And the Chair welcomes Governor Ridge, my friend-good to have you with us—and yields himself 5 minutes for the purpose of an opening statement.

Good morning. Today the subcommittee will hold the first day of a multipart hearing to examine how the Bush Administration's proposal to establish a Department of Homeland Security will affect the agencies and the operations over which this committee now exercises principal jurisdiction. Our first witness is the current Director of the Office of Homeland Security and our former colleague, Governor Tom Ridge, who is appearing today in his capacity as the chief of the transition team for this new department.

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