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background on this and are awaiting the opportunity in their new positions to look at the history and what should be done about it.

Mr. WHITTEN. We had a witness yesterday who pronounced “rescission” as “recession.” I told him he was the first witness to pronounce it properly.

In connection with your work, has the Office of Management and Budget cited any authority to take the place of the Water Resources Council and sit on these projects? Do they give you any indication of how long they will hold them before they will let you proceed?

Mr. BERG. It was tied to an Executive Order, in fact two Executive Orders that involved our fairly small projects compared to the large projects of the Corps, the Bureau of Reclamation and so forth. We were kind of caught because of our water resource orientation in that whole process.

AUTHORIZATION OF WATERSHED PROJECTS When our projects reach a certain size and expenditure level, they come to the committees by law for approval. Because we were part of the independent review process, this whole activity is unclear and I think we are waiting for the proper time for an analysis of what should be done.

Mr. MYERS. Mr. Chairman, would you yield?
Mr. WHITTEN. The gentleman from Indiana.

Mr. MYERS. Some of the projects used to be originated by the Committee on Agriculture, the authorization committee. We did not wait for you to come. We directed the Department as to what projects we wanted built. Have we gotten away from that where the Agriculture Committee waits for you to come to them?

Mr. BERG. Mr. Myers, your Committee was doing the proper thing but they were doing it after the projects had been submitted through the process we had working earlier. They had come through a review process within the agency, within the Department, and on to OMB for transmittal to Congress for their consideration.

Mr. MYERS. Fifteen years ago we were doing it that way?

Mr. BERG. Yes, you have been doing that since the beginning of the Act.

Mr. MYERS. I thought we had a separate subcommittee and we originally told the Department which ones to move forward on.

Mr. BERG. There is no question about that. You had the complete say once the projects were here whether they should go forward or be amended or withdrawn.

Mr. MYERS. Do you not have a number of those projects which have already had the planning stage completed waiting in the pipeline?

Mr. BERG. Yes.

Mr. MYERS. The Committee on Agriculture could right now have plenty of these projects to direct you to go ahead and continue and then you would be in violation of the law if you let OMB or anyone else derail this program. You would have to come back to Congress for a deferral decision, would you not?

Mr. BERG. This gets complicated. Once the project is approved, then we move into this business as to whether we can have a new construction start. That is where—— Mr. MYERs. Excuse me for interrupting. That would be a decision Congress makes. If they direct you to go ahead and start the new start, you have one of two choices: either to offer a rescission back to Congress or a deferral. You would have to take one of those two courses. You could not just hold it. Mr. BERG. We agree totally. Once the appropriation process has become law and it does order us to go ahead with construction starts, we do move into that setting. The ones we are talking about that are backlogged in terms of not coming forward for approval have not yet reached the point that you could say that. Mr. MYERs. As I understand it, the final decision really rests with Congress. The Administration, the President, Office of Management and Budget, or you would only recommend and ask for Congress to take further action. Ultimately it is going to be up to Congress to decide whether we take action on these projects. Mr. BERG. It finally comes down to the matter of what should be done about the construction starts and the amount of funds we have available to do the work that has already been approved. Mr. MYERs. That is right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

NEED FOR SCS

Mr. WHITTEN. The watershed program is very important, and the need for it is seen most clearly in California and all over the country where more and more land is going to concrete. The watershed program, along with agricultural conservation, is really the basis of the need for the Soil Conservation Service. Do you see any change in the need? Does the problem get larger? Are we making progress, slipping back, or staying even as your personnel has declined? Mr. BERG. Mr. Chairman, the valuable thing that has been happening in the last ten years, that has helped us hold the line on making good progress in terms of not being totally wiped out, is the fact that state and local governments have stepped forward with their programs that have provided technical assistance and, more recently, cost-share funds. We have been able to continue to make excellent progress in the conservation districts with land users that want to move ahead with soil and water conservation. We have also had some new practices that have come into better use, including our conservation tillage activities that this past year were utilized on about 60 million acres. That practice not only saves soil but it saves fuel. We are getting good results from that. There have been some innovative ideas that have developed that #. helped stretch the dollar further and make the staff-years go urther. Our assessment in terms of the appraisal data we have recently collected shows we do still have some very serious soil erosion problems and some very serious sedimentation problems. The projections in our water resources area are disturbing in that fl.

that proso have some seriespecially our well because we

damage costs will continue to grow at the rate we are moving on

We also have some serious problems in terms of the utilization of our irrigation water and especially our well water.

Mr. WHITTEN. We ask these questions because we have read about the problems in California, and it is frightening to see the same things happening in other parts of the country.

Could you spell out in more detail, by state, the major part of this contribution?

Mr. BERG. I will provide some tables for the record which show the nonfederal contributions of funds and services to soil and water conservation programs.

The information follows:)

Table 1

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

Soil Conservation Service

Fiscal Year 1980

National Summary Estimates
Non-Federal Contributions of Funds and Services to
Soil and Water Conservation Districts Program

PRIVATE & OTHER
STATE

LOCAL

INDIVIDUALS, CONTRACTORS
GOVERNMENT

GOVERNMENT

AND COMMERCIAL INST

State

TOTAL

ALABAMA
ALASKA
ARIZONA
ARKANSAS
CALI FORNIA
CARIBBEAN AREA
COLORADO
CONNECTICUT
DELAWARE
FLORIDA
GEORGIA
HAWAII
IDAHO
ILLINOIS
INDIANA
IOWA
KANSAS
KENTUCKY
LOUISIANA
MAINE
MARYLAND
MASSACHUSETTS
MICHIGAN
MINNESOTA
MISSISSIPPI
MISSOURI
MONTANA
NEBRASKA
NEVADA
NEW HAMPSHIRE
NEW JERSEY
NEW MEXICO
NEW YORK
NORTH CAROLINA
NORTH DAKOTA
OH 10
OKLAHOMA
OREGON
PENNSYLVANIA
RHODE ISLAND
SOUTH CAROLINA,
SOUTH DAKOTA
TENNESSEE
TEXAS
UTAH
VERMONT
VIRGINIA
WASHINGTON
WEST VIRGINIA
WISCONSIN
WYONING

624,000 514, 370

355,071
4, 135,000

100,975
3,467,947

161,000

275, 750
1,564,920

452,000
1,250,000

277.000

529,000
11,086,459

982, 436
8,480, 661
1,286, 864
3, 460,083
4,299,000

416, 200
629, 946

447,500
1,432,000
2,718, 552

346, 343
1,479, 240
3,593,715
3,145,626

74,000

2,600
391,800
1,040, 946

888,665
1,263, 167

645,000
2,892,564
1,780, 134

365, 577
1,674,000

26,000
1,380,000
217,377

256, 090
2, 225, 946

226,455
222,000
149,715

351, 143
1,202,900
2,246, 306

87,349

1,084,000

192,000
1,044,327
1,875,000
5,014,725
1, 126, 476
611,000
323, 700

723, 301
1, 116,000
3,038,000

356,000
1,715,800
1,370, 352
2,238,882
3, 405, 717
2,434,968

938, 938
2,135,000

507,800
851, 526

447,500
1,312,000
2,871,043
2, 291, 208

736,528
1,312,692
6,872, 450

996,000

125, 500
1,956, 720

579,331
2,618,517
4,746, 115
1,479,000
3,081,623
2,960, 705
2,338,624
1,867,000

9,600
1,002,000

687, 781
1,199,631
1,500, 864
424, 785
134,000
999, 340
920,407

925, W32
2,620, 783

130,658

777,000
162, 120

992.084
2,452,000
9,580, 330
2,358,517
1,373,000

409, 220
1, 360, 965
1,038,000
1,959,000

481,000
1,600, 800
2,395, 092
3, 308, 145
2,425, 768
2, 146, 360

896,056
3,240, 800
1,358,600
1,373, 103

278, 800
1,038,000
1,497,616
5,693, 167
2,547,376
2,690, 977

922, 026
572,000

193,500
1,048, 605
1,782, 709
1,618, 369
1,700, 187

452,000
3,599,374
3, 281, 297
1,657, 715
1,655,000

46,250
650,000
1,090, 916
1,071, 957
6,359,668
1,202, 172

562.000
404,714
792,132

401,655
2,221,616

461,640

2, 485,000

068,490
2,391,482
8, 462,000
14, 704,030
6,952, 940
2,145,000
1,008, 670
3,649,186
2,606, 000
6, 247,000
1, 114,000
3,645,600
14,859, 903

6,529,463
14, 312, 146
5,868, 192
5, 295,077
9,674,000
2,282,600
2,854,575
1, 173, 800
3,782,000
7,087,211
6,330, 718
4,763, 144
7,597,384
12,940, 102
1,642,000

321,600
3,397, 125
3.402.986
5,125, 571
7, 709, 469
2,576,000
9,573, 561
8,022, 136
9,361,916
5,396,000

81,050
3,040,000
2,004,074
2,535,670
16,086, 478
1,853, 412

918,000
1,553,777
2,071,682
2,530, 067
1,090, 705

679,655

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Fiscal Year 1980

National Summary Estimates
Non-Federal Contributions of Funds and Services to

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289,000
51,200
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177,000 337,000 938,000

12,000 111, 760 262, 720
841,711 526,456 317,133
607,000 2, 223,000 1,851,000
1,606, 159 7,930, 064 1,342,869
693,710 4,958, 386 606, 472
397,000 494, 000 620,000

89, 250 174, 150 371, 320
105,500 1,012,891 196,830
386,000 195,000 798,000
900,000 1,773,000 1,532,000
112,000 254,000 113,000
366,500 561,000 647, 100
662, 186 777,519 1,775,450

796, 811 1,545, 181 1,618, 180
1,678,934 1,559, 326 3,227,875
485, 767 534,612 1,551, 160
174, 140 2,543, 725 1,404,893
350,000 1,610,000 1,699,800
193,400 565, 700 466, 300
279,906 1, 292, 555 595,090

21,600 86, 800 172,300
248,000 371, 000 1, 203,000
1,037, 139 1,503,233 1,321,977

277,351 734,550 673,015
799, 105 761,400 1,326,517
586,039 3, 198, 507 1,150, 310
805, 067 2,019,810 2,516,896
200,000 743,000 366,000

21,600 106,500 106,500
181, 170 680, 600 982, 605
328,689 1, 351, 12 548,112
509, 119 1,491, 498 1,004,456
551,852 1,074, 142 1, 132,257

78,000 206, 000, 681,000
1,857,392 1,213,632 2,575, 414
633,860 1,595, 467 1,997,540
376,573 1,119,635 577, 764
377,000 584,000 3,590,000
5,550

9,350 44.650
141,000 631, 000 983,000
157,325 757,627 459,465

160, 770 330, 268 748,821
1, 406, 358 2, 216,994 3,585,395
359,504 439,630 226,643
30,000 503,000 137,000
56, 346 106,085 511,553

332,292 326, 721 635,808
W

45,945 150,972 608, 755 965, 316 2,249,973 1,982, 316

152,285 142,519 235, 417 TOTAL 23,201,221 57,692,382 54,191,678

207,000
94,760
53, 227
583,000
567, 630
328,642
141,000
129,250
118,028
127,000
511,000

60,000
225, 900
279, 385
493,548
421,046
549,062
133,243
383,000
354, 600
345, 786

65, 900
464,000
538, 711
133,698
350.650
852,038
1, 114, 235
112,000

26, 100
796,650

65,070
556, 103
269, 022

141,000
1,368,854

463, 309
212, 494
472,000

11,200
181,000

65,885
129, 140
1,361, 115
103,635

12,000
22,257
168, 169
122,860
820.920

43, 666
17,170,016

43,000
106,000

0
558,000
14,000

0
185, 300
407,070
377, 408
655, 303

13, 904
224,769
220,000
259, 200

5,290

3,000
515,000
554, 191

1,935
833, 384

71,772
670,521

1,000
46,500
27, 100
12,361

77,241
571,586
397,000
895,697

6,035
57,820

2,000
2,400
54,000
331,063
121,559
53,697
42,185
26,000
343, 781
256,885

42,200
400, 703

38,310
10,123,047

283,000 369,000

0
666, 110 129,645
2,514,000 605,000
1,819,356 1,071,200

75,030 247, 480
243,000 105,000

78, 800 56,900
2,067,855 170,082

499,000 43,000
1,011,000 506, 000

322,000 234,000

147, 400 1,576,600
10,355, 213 441,714
1, 156, 748 350, 353
1,633, 734 135,928
2,351,489 164,963

712,935 85,556
5,195,000 192,000

64,500 378.900
200,876 101, 185
227, 700 471, 500
135,000 846,000

356, 969 274,991
1,159, 976 5,223,017
551, 521 91,673

177, 344 1,543,996
5,813,573

141,000
4, 200 10, 200
691,400 37,600

466,926 537, 036
1,339,335 147,819
3, 203,383 297,552

957,000 53,000

761.375 481,972
2,099, 910 460, 076

66,863 1,867, 298
284,000 87,000

8, 700
361,000 218,000

16,245 65,892
523, 142 465, 157
6,559, 603 903, 316
472,928 198, 505

29,000 92,000
427,629 10,980
167,938 27,925
721,361 736, 009
276,873 77,487

30,525 19,980
59,499,767 22,360,275

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2,485,000
82,250868, 490

2,391, 482

8, 462,000
106,967 14, 704,030
43,220 6,952,940
80,000 2, 145,000

3,000 1,008,670
26,000 3,649, 186

2,606, 000

6, 247, 000
19,000 1, 114,000
73,300 3,845,600
181, 366 14,859, 903

191,234 6,529,463
5,000,000 14,312, 146
106,535 5,868, 192

15,816 5,295,077
25,000 9,674, 800

O 2,282,600
33,887 2,854,575
125,000 1, 173, 800

3,782, 000
1,500,000 7,087, 211
127, 176 8,330, 716
48,894 4,763, 144

O 7,597,384

12,940, 102
55,000 1,642,000

321,600

3,397, 125
89, 992 3, 402,986

5, 125, 571
609,673 7, 709,469

63,000 2,576,000
419, 225 9,573,561
765,939 6,022,136
70, 805 4.361,916

5,396,000

81,850
451,000 3,040,000
150,572 2,009,074
56,813 2,535,678

0 16,086, 478
4,220 1,853,412
89,000 918,000
75, 146 1,553,777
134, 184 2,071,682

93,965 2,530,067
317, 117 7,090, 705
10, 088

679,655 11,246,384 253,804,255

January 23, 1981
Soil Conservation Service

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