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Mr. JACOBS. No, sir.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Do you know that it has had judgments against it? Do you know whether it has had any judgments as a result of actions against it by the Federal Food and Drug Administration? Mr. JACOBS. No, sir.

Mr. CHAPMAN. I have a record of those actions and judgments. It has been found to contain lead compound in an ointment base, and lead is one of the most dangerous of the poisonous metals, and it has been advertised. How long have you advertised it?

Mr. JACOBS. I imagine our organization was handling some of that advertising, Mr. Chairman, long before I went into the business. I have seen a copy of a letter from President Andrew Jackson, commending Gray's Ointment for the efficiency of the preparation, and it has been sold since that time.

Mr. CHAPMAN. How old is your firm?

Mr. JACOBS. Something over 30 years.

Mr. CHAPMAN. How long have you been in the business?

Mr. JACOPBS. Nineteen or twenty years.

Mr. CHAPMAN. In 1929 that was labeled "for ulcer, cancer, snake bite, sore throat, and all other diseases of man or beast."

Mr. JACOBS. You mean Gray's Ointment?

Mr. CHAPMAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. JACOBS. I never saw that.

Mr. CHAPMAN. I have the record right here.

Mr. JACOBS. If you have the record, it must be correct, but it is hard for me to believe that.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Do you know what Stanback contains?

Mr. JACOBS. No, sir; I do not.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Well, now, don't you think that before you insert advertisements in these religious journals, along in the same columns or parallel columns with hymns and prayers, and lessons from the Bible for the children, you ought to know what is in these products before you advertise in that way?

Mr. JACOBS. If that rule, Mr. Chairman, were applied to all newspapers and advertising, there would be no advertising.

Mr. CHAPMAN. There wouldn't?

Mr. JACOBS. Very little.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Do you mean if you applied proper labels, and told the truth about a product in the advertising, there would be no advertising?

Mr. JACOBS. No; I didn't mean that.

Mr. CHAPMAN. It wouldn't disturb honest and truthful advertising, would it?

Mr. JACOBS. You involve in that question whether the people accepting the advertising know about the therapeutic effect of the contents of these preparations. Very few people do. Very few magazines and newspapers have the proper equipment for an analysis of drugs of that type. It is hard for them to know the therapeutic effect.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Stanback is advertised in all these journals. It contains aspirin, potassium bromide, and a little caffeine, andMr. JACOBS. I don't know as to that.

Mr. CHAPMAN. What is Mrs. Winslow's Soothing Syrup for?
Mr. JACOBS. I don't know, sir. It is for children.

Mr. CHAPMAN. For children teething, it says in the advertisemen.. Mr. JACOBS. That is right.

Mr. CHAPMAN. It is called "Mrs. Winslow's Soothing Syrup, for children teething." Did you know it was a solution of morphine and a laxative?

Mr. JACOBS. I have had no connection with that firm for a number of years; but I do know, by order of the Department and according to law, the opiates were taken out of that product many years ago.

Mr. CHAPMAN. I didn't say it was in right now. I don't know about that at all-whether they have been taken out or not. But I found that advertisement. It certainly demonstrates very forcefully the need of some such legislation as that which we propose to get.

Mr. JACOBS. I think the legislation took that out sometime ago— the old law.

Mr. CHAPMAN. How about 666? Do you advertise it?

Mr. JACOBS. We have handled some advertising. I don't know anything about the product.

Mr. CHAPMAN. It is in some of these very recent religious papers. Let us see about this Alabama Baptist over here. You are still handling advertising for it?

Mr. JACOBS. That is right.

Mr. CHAPMAN. You have your name in here, saying that you are handling all the advertisements. Well, I found it advertised in my copy here, published since you have been handling it. Do you know what it contains?

Mr. JACOBS. I do not.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Chiefly quinine sulphate and potassium salts. Did you hear Mrs. Dugan's testimony here, I think on the 25th of last month?

Mr. JACOBS. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. CHAPMAN. One of the early witnesses in the hearing?
Mr. JACOBS. No, sir.

Mr. CHAPMAN. She testified that it is so ineffectual as a remedy for malaria, for which it is advertised, that they have records in Kentucky, where she is engaged in the enforcement of the food and drug law, both State and Federal, and has charge of the inspection of restaurants and hotels, that people actually died from taking it, because they thought they were getting a medicine that would cure malaria and did not call a physician. Had you known that, would you have handled that advertisement and put it in a church paper as a malaria cure?

Mr. JACOBS. Mr. Chairman, that particular product has also been sold for many years, for generations, and running into large volume. I don't believe if it killed people it would keep on repeating its sales. Mr. CHAPMAN. Don't you think that is the best argument in the world for more restrictive legislation-the fact that for many years these things have gone on and have been advertised in the country press and the city press, and in these publications edited by the ministers of the various evangelical churches throughout the country, until people have come to accept them? You know that many a person, when he picks up that church paper, believes it is second only to the Bible, and believes everything in it even down to the advertisements of Calotabs and 666.

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Mr. JACOBS. You are a good salesman, Mr. Chairman; I wish we had one as good as you are.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Don't you think that is right? The very fact that these things have been accepted through the years proves the need for remedial action. Don't you think this is a good time to call a halt by some restrictive legislation?

Mr. JACOBS. I am afraid I don't agree with you all the way through on that. On general principles I am in favor of restrictive legislation.

Mr. CHAPMAN. Well, sir, we thank you very much for coming.
Mr. JACOBS. You are very welcome, sir.

(The following exhibit was ordered inserted in the record :)

RESOLUTIONS ADOPTED BY THE UNITED MEDICINE MANUFACTURERS OF AMERICA IN ANNUAL CONVENTION

CHICAGO. The following resolutions dealing with opposition to the so-called Tugwell Food and Drugs Act were adopted by the United Medicine Manufacturers Association at its convention held September 11, 12, and 13 at the Hotel Sherman, this city:

"Whereas the Tugwell bill is a threat to the whole drug industry, which employs hundreds of thousands of people with investment of hundreds of millions of dollars, and has in the past aided materially in the development in its own laboratories of the drug and medical science and which has so nobly and 'honorably served the people of the United States; therefore, be it

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Resolved, That the U. M. M. A cooperate fully with all units of the drug industry including the Drug Institute, the Proprietary Association, the N. A. R. D. and affiliated and associated chain stores, the N. W. D. A., National Association of Drug Clerks as well as other organizations, in the effort to defend the rights of the American public.

"Whereas there has always been the constitutional right of all adult sane American citizens to have the right and freedom to use self-medication in simple noncontagious diseases, and

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Whereas this right of self-medication has been held to be legal and proper in many courts in this country, and

"Whereas the Tugwell bill, introduced in the last session of Congress, if passed would virtually deprive the citizens of the United States of the right to self-medication and is an insult to the intelligence of the American public, and "Whereas this bill proposes to establish a virtual dictatorship in the Department of Agriculture over all package medicines; therefore, be it

Resolved, That the U. M. M. A. take all steps necessary to defeat this un-American, wholly unnecessary, bill.

MEDICINE PRODUCERS TO BATTLE DRUG ACT

17 WAYS TO FIGHT DETRIMENTAL LEGISLATION PLANNED BY THE U. M. M. A.

(Drug Trade News, Chicago Bureau)

CHICAGO. That the manufacturers of proprietary remedies are girding themselves for the greatest fight in the history of the industry, in a concerted attack on the proposed revision of the Food and Drugs Act, has been plainly evidenced at the 3-day convention of the United Medicine Manufacturers of America brought to a close Wednesday night at the Hotel Sherman in this city.

Led by the aggressive president of the organization, J. M. Ewing, of Toma, Inc., Ligonier, Pa., and by Clinton Robb, of Washington, counsel for the association, the membership has pledged itself to a battle against the discriminatory Tugwell measure by every legitimate means at its command. Seldom if ever has any convention devoted itself so wholly to one topic, or has greater harmony and unanimity of opinion prevailed in a group session. If the entire program of concerted activity in opposition to the measure is carried through as planned, it cannot fail to have great weight and prove an important factor in the even

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