General BARRIGER. We do have acts of God, Mr. Chairman, which we can't foresee, that destroy facilities.

The CHAIRMAN. All right. Put a provision in there when money under this is being spent, they should submit to the Armed Services Committee of the House and Senate how the money is being spent.

Secretary BENDETSEN. That is entirely satisfactory to the Army. Mr. SMART. You will be partially protected there, Mr. Chairman, when you incorporate the provisions of H. R. 3096 in this bill.

Mr. COLE. How do you arrive at the figure of $27 million if this is just a catch-all sum?

Secretary BENDETSEN. It is just a broad estimate.

Mr. COLE. How could you estimate? Why wasn't it 50, or why wasn't it 70?

Secretary BENDETSEN. Sir, it is less than 2 percent of the present level of requirements which was based on experience in prior periods of expansion in the build-up of facilities for World War II. When we made requests we found that that was a fair experience factor. Now we are going to have to come back and check with you and also seeMr. COLE. This 27 million dollars is about 2 percent of your total requests?

General BARRIGER. There is 10 million more overseas, which will come up later.

Secretary BENDETSEN. Which will bring it up to approximately that amount.

The CHAIRMAN. Now in continental United States, how much did the budget approve, including this last item?

Secretary BENDETSEN. It is $1,297,687,000

The CHAIRMAN. Oh, no; that isn't right.
Mr. SMART. That is the total.

Secretary BENDETSEN. That is the total.

The CHAIRMAN. Get that up.

Secretary BENDETSEN. The total authorization approved by the Bureau of the Budget for the United States was 1.3577 billion dollars. The CHAIRMAN. We will put that in the record. All right. Outside continental United States

Secretary BENDETSEN. The amount of authorization approved by the Bureau of the Budget for outside the United States is $175,341,130. The CHAIRMAN. All right. Alaska, general: Troop housing, tactical and supporting facilities, petroleum pipeline, ammunition dock and supporting facilities, and utilities, $61,223,800. Now, where is that?

Mr. DOYLE. 1,015.

Secretary BENDETSEN. Sir, before we leave continental United States, with your permission I would like to make a brief statement at this time.

In each of the items, each of the projects involving land acquisition, our estimates were based on the best information we then had. In the course of time, as we perfect our plans, in some instances we are able to come into a closer estimate and in a number of cases since the time the estimate reached the committee we find, as in the case of one illustration this morning, that the amount required is less than the estimate we put in. In a small number of cases it is slightly higher. But over-all the net is, as I understand it this morning, less than we have asked.

Now I realize we are going to check with you in each case, of course, but before your report on this bill is finalized we will be able to prepare and bring up to the committee the exact amount in cases where we know it. If we can find a saving, we would like to offer it in the bill at this time. We are prepared to do that.

The CHAIRMAN. Then, would we be warranted to reduce that item in the bill?

Secretary BENDETSEN. That is the purpose of my offer, yes sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Is that satisfactory to the committee, then, that when that information comes up, why, we reduce the items as reflected here, which you know?

Secretary BENDETSEN. Yes sir.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.

(The following was received for the record.)

As a result of receipt of additional site data from the field, the following changes in land requirements and costs may be made:

Page 5, line 8: Strike "$9,913,700" and insert $8,858,700". Page 5, line 16: Strike "$4,321,300" and insert "$3,521,300. Page 9, line 10: Strike "$10,893,300" and insert "$11,007,300". Page 15, line 5: Strike "$17,029,200 "and insert "$16,761,200". Page 15, line 22: Strike "$2,937,200" and insert "$3,010,200". Page 15, line 14: Strike "$4,281,000" and insert "$4,181,000". Secretary BENDETSEN. I can put in the record also that the approximate amount allowed by the Bureau of the Budget for construction in continental United States was $1,159,034,598.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, that is increased a little in this bill because we gave all to West Point and we gave all to this plant up in Frederick. We will have to add that up and make that correction when we write the report.

Secretary BENDETSEN. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Let's try to finish with the Army before we go to the floor. We have to go to the floor at 12 o'clock. We have a bill up there at 12 o'clock. We certainly want all you members over there, particularly Mr. Short, to help me get this bill through.

Now $61,223,800 for Alaska. Where do you find that?

Mr. DOYLE. Page 1015.

General BARRIGER. That is in book 5. It starts on page 1015. We have Col. C. S. Kuna from the Army in Alaska, and Mr. Condron. The CHAIRMAN. The first thing we want to know is about this pipeline, $40 million authorization; appropriated $20 million. Where did that pipeline come from?

Colonel KUNA. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, my remarks about Alaska are off the record.

The CHAIRMAN. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.)

The CHAIRMAN. Well, is it classified?

Colonel KUNA. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Then

Mr. COLE. Everything we heard for the last week has been classified, hasn't it?

The CHAIRMAN. This is more classified than anything. Go ahead and tell us about that.

Mr. SASSCER. Off the record?

The CHAIRMAN. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.)

Secretary BENDETSEN. We would be very pleased to have the committee come up at this time. It would be a good time of the year. The CHAIRMAN. Just as soon as we get through this bill and clean up our calendar a little bit, between now and the 20th of July when we hope to accomplish all this, then I will ask the committee--I think some of us ought to go up there. When I say "us," I mean you, the other members.

Mr. BATES. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes.

Mr. COLE. Mr. Chairman

The CHAIRMAN. Wait a minute, Mr. Bates.

Mr. BATES. I would like to ask a question, if I may.

The CHAIRMAN. Go ahead.

General BARRIGER. Wait a minute. This is off the record.

The CHAIRMAN. This is all off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the committee approves $61,223,800.

Mr. COLE. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask a question about it. The CHAIRMAN. Go ahead.

Colonel KUNA. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. This is off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

The CHAIRMAN. We will have to take a recess now until 2 o'clock and have Mr. Under Secretary Kimball here and the Navy here. Be sure to be over on the floor. And be back here at 2 o'clock please, sir.

We will take a recess now until 2 o'clock. We have to go on the floor now and be back at 2 o'clock.

(Whereupon, at 11:25 a. m., the committee recessed, to reconvene at 2 p. m., the same day.)

AFTERNOON SESSION

The CHAIRMAN. Let the committee come to order.

Now, it was understood when we recessed that we would take up the Alaska, general. In the breakdown I didn't see any item for-the unit cost of the houses is estimated at $6,480; is that correct?

General BARRIGER. That is correct.

TESTIMONY OF LT. COL. C. S. KUNA

Colonel KUNA. That is correct, sir.

(Discussion off the record.)

The CHAIRMAN. Now, to keep the record straight, in the January 6, 1951, bill, we authorized $28,105,600 for Alaska. In the 1950 bill, we authorized $7,837,000. Then at Eielson Air Base, $13,746,000. For Ladd Air Base, $12,590,200. Fort Richardson, $36,882,845. Whittier, $3,131,100. And we are authorizing now the full amount set out in the bill for Alaska.

Now I am going to ask some members of the committee, in July or the first of August, to go up to Alaska and let's see what the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force are doing up there.

General, put in the record how much authorization for Alaska is carried in this bill, please, sir.

General BARRIGER. Yes, sir, we will put that in, Mr. Chairman. (The information referred to is as follows:)

The CHAIRMAN. All right. Now we go to the Far East Command. Okinawa: Family housing, troop housing, hospital, school, storage and supporting facilities, and utilities, $60,466,000. What page is that on?

Mr. SMART. Page 1098.

General BARRIGER. We have Col. C. H. Dunn, representing the Far Eastern command, who will talk about Okinawa.

The CHAIRMAN. All right, Colonel, come around, please, sir.

Barracks and utilities, hospital, station hospital, warehouses, warehousing utilities, and general. Barracks and utilities are all being provided for now. Of the $60 million, you are making available in fiscal 1952, $17,393,000. Now a few months ago we authorized $13,071,480 for Okinawa. Tell us something briefly about what you are doing in Okinawa.

TESTIMONY OF LT. COL. CARROLL H. DUNN, ENGINEER SECTION

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Colonel DUNN. Sir, this is a continuation of the program which started originally in 1946 with a minor amount of construction and then was picked up again with the fiscal year 1950 program. The funds which we now have are practically all under contract or will be by the 1st of September. This continues the construction program toward its completion. This is not all that will be required, however, by any means, but is another increment.

The CHAIRMAN. And this $60 million is not all you will need?
Colonel DUNN. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. In addition to this, you will be back asking for more?

Colonel DUNN. In future years, yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, in this authorization the money was only allowed for barracks and utilities, $3,862. Station hospital and utilities, 225 beds, $5,261,000. Warehouses and utilities, 400,000 square feet, $5,224,000. And general, administration building, and so forth, $1,887,000. Barracks and utilities, $1,143,000. No money is being made available for family houses and utilities and the other item-that is all your appropriation in 1952.

Colonel DUNN. That is all the appropriation at this time.

The CHAIRMAN. And to carry out your program you need authorization of $60 million?

Colonel DUNN. Yes, sir, we would like to have that.

Mr. WICKERSHAM. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask one question The CHAIRMAN. Go ahead.

Mr. WICKERSHAM. Isn't there an error on page 1099: Family housing and utilities, is that $1,080 a square foot?

Colonel DUNN. No, sir, that is the area limitation.

Mr. WICKERSHAM. I think that is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. Under the law, that is the size of square footage allowed, 1,080 square feet?

Colonel DUNN. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Up in Alaska, that will cost around $35,000. Have you ever built any at Okinawa?

Colonel DUNN. Yes, sir; we have some under contract right now, sir. The CHAIRMAN. How much are they running?

Colonel DUNN. A little over $18,000, the ones that we have under contract and are about finished. We have some more under contract, just placed within the last month, that are going to be about $22,000 because of increased prices.

The CHAIRMAN. And the last time we had the subject matter up here for the United States it cost around about $16,500 per 1,080 square feet.

Colonel DUNN. Something like that.

General NOLD. That is about right, sir.
Mr. KILDAY. How many rooms is that?

Colonel DUNN. Normally, sir, to provide a living room-dining room together, a kitchen, and three bedrooms, one fair size and two quite small.

The CHAIRMAN. We set the pattern of 1,080 square feet. When we had the bill up before, my recollection was it was anywhere from $25,000 to $35,000 apiece for Alaska and about $16,500 here in the United States. Without objection, we approve

Mr. KILDAY. I wonder if a second lieutenant should have three bedrooms. His family hasn't grown that big.

The CHAIRMAN. It depends on how long he has been married.
Mr. KILDAY. That is true.

Colonel DUNN. Of course if he had not married, sir, you would not need to provide housing. This 1,080 of course is actually the housing standard for noncommissioned officers. We have built them with three bedrooms for flexibility, sir, so that regardless of what their requirements are it could be met because we can never say how many of any one particular grade or what particular size a family may show up. Of course this is just a start on our family housing requirements. We still will require about 1,500 units.