A. Yes. Q. And did the name of Silvia Givens appear on that payroll? A. Yes, sir. Mr. O'CONNOR. I would like for this payroll to be admitted in the cord as Gray exhibit 3. (The above-referred to document was marked "Gray Exhibit 3" nd received in evidence.) By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Now, have you extended your audit beyond the original September 30 cutoff date? A. Yes; we have in certain respects. We picked up the three vouchers that I mentioned before that have come in for payment now, and also we have posted some more tickets that we have gotten in from the airlines subsequent to the last report. Mr. O'CONNOR. I don't think I have any further questions, Mr. Chairman. Mr. HAYS. Off the record. Mr. HAYS. Mr. Dickinson has a question. Mr. DICKINSON. I think for the record most of us know, but I would appreciate it if you would clear up the significance of a claimed per diem. What different procedure is needed and if a different statement is needed when one claims for per diem rather than just the travel? The WITNESS. Well, any traveler, generally any traveler who is traveling on official business may present a claim for subsistence for that travel. Mr. O'CONNOR. Out-of-pocket expenses such as taxes? The WITNESS. That is right; general expenses, taxi, telephone calls and so forth. Now, he can also claim on his voucher any travel expenses that he incurred, if he bought a ticket through his out of his own pocket he could reclaim that on the voucher. If he traveled by airline credit card, his travel does not normally-reference to his travel or ticket number doesn't normally appear on his expense voucher. Mr. DICKINSON. My point, Mr. Gray, is that you and I are familiar with it, I think, but for the record what is the significance of whether or not per diem is claimed? The WITNESS. Well Mr. DICKINSON. Do you understand what I am asking? Any official travel that was performed, normally there would be a per diem or an expense voucher filed for that travel. Mr. DICKINSON. Is there some further statement or sworn statement that a person has to make if they claim expenses other than they would have to if they had simply an airline ticket? Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Dickinson, I think that will be developed by the witness Julian Langston when he appears this afternoon, as to procedures and the requirements. If we could hold that— Mr. DICKINSON. All right. Mr. O'CONNOR. Because he is the one that does the auditing of the vouchers. Mr. DICKINSON. I had assumed that a member from the GAO would be probably the one to develop this, but I don't care as long as it in the record. Mr. O'CONNOR. I think the reason is that Federal travel regulations of the executive differ substantially from that of the legislative. Mr. DICKINSON. It was his job to audit them. He ought to know what the regulations are. But go ahead. I don't care who puts it in. I want it in. Mr.O'CONNOR. Are there any other questions? (No response.) Mr. Hays. That is all for the time being. Mr. O'CONNOR. That is all I have of Mr. Gray. (Witness excused.) Mr. HAYS. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. HAYS. Mr. Langston? Mr. LANGSTON. Yes, sir. Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Tayler will handle the interrogation of Mr. Langston. Mr. HAYS. Fine. Will you stand and raise your right hand. JULIAN P. LANGSTON, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: By Mr. TAYLER: Q. State your full name for the record. A. Julian P. Langston. Q. Where do you live, Mr. Langston? A. I live at 3940 Suitland Road, Washington, D.C. Q. Are you the chief clerk of the Committee on House Administra tion? A. That is correct, sir. Q. How long have you held that position? A. Since January of 1955. Q. Now, sir, for the record and briefly, would you state the powers and duties of the Committee on House Administration as set forth in paragraph 9 of rule 11 of the House rules. A. Rule 11, paragraph 9 of the Rules of the House describes the duties of the Committee on House Administration in full detail. Briefly, the duties consist of matters relating employment of persons by the House, expenditure of the contingent fund of the House, the auditing and settling of all accounts which may be charged to the contingent fund, accounts of the House generally, appropriations from the contingent fund, services to the House, printing and correction of the Congressional Record, Federal elections generally, travel of Members of the House, memorials, disposition of useless Executive papers, examination of bills after passage by the House and presentation of such bills to the President, and, with certain exceptions, matters relating to the Library of Congress, House Library, works of art in the Capitol, Botanical Gardens, and the Smithsonian Institution. |