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The WITNESS. No, sir; I can't remember. Mr. Hays. But you do remember having taken a credit card on. some occasions? The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

By Mr. TAYLER: Did you ever look at the tickets that you picked up to see who the name of the traveler was on them?

A. In all truthfulness, I can't say yes or no, because I don't remember that clearly.

Q. Did you ever pick up any tickets on which you were listed as the traveler when you knew you were not scheduled to make the trip and in fact you didn't make the trip?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. And you can't account for the fact that these 31 tickets, exhibits 1, 2, and 3, show you traveling or purport to show you traveling between here and Miami?

A. No, sir.
Mr. TAYLER. That is all I have.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. When you went to New York and stayed with friends, give us the names of the friends you stayed with.

A. I have stayed with Mr. Odell Clark, who is the chief investigator; stayed at his home.

Q. What is his address?
A. 132 West 138th Street.
Q. Who else have you stayed with up there?
A. Just with the Clarks.
Q. Just with the Clarks only?
A. Right.
Q. Was Mr. Clark up there each time you went up?
A. I don't remember.

Q. Well, you certainly remember whether Mr. Clark was there. Does he have a house, or an apartment?

A. No; he has an apartment.
Q. How large an apartment is it?
A. Let's see-well, bedroom, living room, kitchen, bath.
Q. One bedroom?
A. Yes, correct.
Q. Living room, kitchen, and bath?
A. Right.
Q. What is the address of that apartment?
A. 132 West 138th Street.
Q. That is also the chairman's apartment in New York, is it not?
A. I wouldn't know, sir.

Q. Well, if it is one bedroom and you would spend the night there, you would know whether anybody was in the bedroom with you.

A. Well, I have never spent the night there while the chairman was there.

Q. Or while Mr. Clark was there?

A. Mr. Clark has been there on occasions, I am sure, but I didn't want to say, because I can't remember specifically when he was there and when he wasn't.

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Q. Is Mr. Clark married?
A. Mr. Clark is married.

Q. And you would stay in the apartment up there and that is why you wouldn't claim per diem, is that your testimony?

A. Correct, sir.

Q. Now, it seems to me that you would recall the number of times that you have stayed at the Clark apartment.

A. Well, the reason I can't recall the number of times I have stayed is because I have stayed there frequently. I have been to New York to visit with them when I have gone on my own for my own reasons, when I have been visiting other friends and relatives there.

Q. What other friends would you spend the night with?

A. I have always stayed at the Clarks'. As I said, I visited other people but I have stayed with them.

Q. In other words, any overnight trip up there you have always stayed at the Clark apartment?

A. Right.

Q. Now, on one trip you put in a claim for per diem, September 30, 1965.

A. I don't recall—I don't remember anything about that.
Q. Well, do you remember putting in a particular voucher?
A. No, sir.

Mr. O'CONNOR. Do you have a copy of the voucher, September 30, 1965?

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. That is the time you drove up in your automobile.
A. I drove in my automobile?
Q. That is what it says. You don't have an automobile?
A. I have one, sir, but I don't remember,
Q. Ever driving up?
Mr. DEVINE. Did he have one then?

The WITNESS. Well, I must retract that. I have driven up before. I have driven up with Mr. Clark but I don't remember any voucher.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. While we are getting the voucher we will proceed. Did you go up on committee business each time you went up? A. I did, sir. Q. And when—where would you transact this committee business?

A. Well, whenever I have gone there, it has been during times of hearings or investigations or something like that.

Mr. Hays. This is no good. It doesn't have a signature on it.

Mr. O'CONNOR. Can we get the one with the signature? Let's send one of the boys over to get it and we will recall him.

Mr. DICKINSON. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.)

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Can you explain to us why your trips to New York, principally, were on Sundays and Mondays?

A. Well, all I know, sir, is that being in the chairman's office, working for the chairman, I was instructed to do something, and I did it. I mean I didn't question him or his reason for it. As I said, during the times that I went to New York, if I can remember correctly, there were hearings or investigations going on and there was a matter of papers being transacted between the two places. Beyond that, I don't--I haven't any knowledge.

Q. Did you take papers up to be signed or something?
A. I have carried papers to New York and from there back here.
Q. For whose use?
A. I can't say exactly for whose use.
Q. Who would you deliver them to up there?

A. Well, when I would take them to New York, if it was during the time of a hearing or something, I was usually met by someone.

Q. Well, were the hearings held on Sundays?
A. No, sir.
Q. So if you were going up-

A. I am not saying that I am going up there for hearings. I am saying whatever was done was done in connection with hearings or investigations.

Q. All right.
Mr. O'CONNOR. Let's excuse the witness.
Mr. TAYLER. I have another question.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Mr. Warren, with respect to the three trips to Miami, again, would it refresh your recollection as to how those tickets were issued if I told you that they were purchased on Mr. Stone's credit card?

A. No, sir.

Q. Do you recall any of the circumstances under which those tickets were purchased, now that you know that fact?

A. No, sir.

Q. Did Mr. Stone ever send you to the Capital ticket office with his credit card and tell you to buy any tickets to Miami in your name?

A. I have been to the ticket office, Mr. Stone has sent me there, but I don't remember whether the tickets were for Miami or where, and I don't recall his telling me to purchase any tickets in my name.

Q. But you have gone to the ticket office with Mr. Stone's credit

A. Pepurchase gone ing me to tickets

A. Yes; I have.

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. Are you married, Mr. Warren?
A. No; I am not.

Mr. Hays. We will excuse you until we get this one voucher. We would like to ask you if you signed it.

Mr. WAGGONNER. I have a question or two, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Hays. All right.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Mr. Warren, does Mr. Powell to your knowledge have an office in New York?

The WITNESS. Yes, the chairman does have a congressional office in New York. Mr. WAGGONNER. Do you know where that office is? The WITNESS. I can't remember the address. Mr. WAGGONNER. Have you ever been to it?

The WITNESS. I believe I have, sir. The reason I say I can't remember the address is because I have been away from here for quite a while and there are a lot of things that I don't remember.

Mr. WAGGONNER. I am not especially interested in a specific street address, but I was interested if you had ever been to his congressional office there in New York City.

The WITNESS. Yes, sir; I have.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Have you ever been to his church?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir, I have.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Do you know whether or not he has an office in his church?

The WITNESS. Are you referring to a congressional office?
Mr. WAGGONNER. Yes.

The WITNESS. I don't know. There is an office in the church. I can't say it is his congressional office because, as I said, I have been to his congressional office, but there is an office there for the chairman. Mr. WAGGONNER. In the church?

The WITNESS. Yes. As the pastor of the church he has an office there.

Mr. WAGGONNER. To your knowledge does Mr. Clark have a Washington home?

The WITNESS. Yes, Mr. Clark does.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Where does Mr. Clark's wife live, in Washington or New York?

The WITNESS. Mr. Clark's wife lives in New York, sir. Mr. WagGONNER. You said that you had on occasion gone from the office to the airlines ticket office in the Capitol to actually physically pick up airline tickets. Who gave you your instructions on occasions such as that to go get these tickets?. Was it the Congressman himself or someone else'

The WITNESS. Well, over a period of time, the trips have been frequent. The Congressman has told me, he will say, "John, go over and pick up some tickets." Or Mr. Stone might tell me to go over and pick up some tickets.

Mr. WAGGONNER. No further questions. Mr. Hays. Anyone else? (No response.) Mr. Hays. You may be excused for the time being. Mr. O'CONNOR. Hold yourself in readiness next door. Mr. Hays. We might have that voucher in the next few minutes and we would like to have you back for a few minutes.

You may be excused. (Witness excused.) Mr. O'CONNOR, At this time I would like to put Mr. Gray back on the witness table so as to clarify for the record certain things.

Mr. Hays. Mr. Gray has previously been sworn.

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ROBERT D. GRAY was recalled, having been previously duly sworn, and testified further as follows:

By Mr. O'CONNOR. Q. Mr. Gray, during your audit of the payrolls and vouchers, did you determine the status of Miss Corrine Huff?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. As far as the payroll is concerned.
A. Yes, sir.

Q. What was her—what has been her position on the committee and on the congressional staff of Congressman Powell?

A. Miss Huff was on the standing or full committee payroll from January 1, 1965, through June 1, 1966, as a secretary and on the clerk-hire payroll, from June 1, 1966, to the present.

Q. Now, in your examination of the travel vouchers and airline tickets, did you find where Miss Huff had made a trip, an airline trip, after going on the congressional staff, but that trip was paid for with committee funds?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Could you identify that trip for us?
Mr. Hays. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Hays. On the record.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Do you have the airline ticket reflecting the July 17, 1966, trip

À. Yes, sir. . Q. (Continuing.) Of Miss Huff. Mr. O'CONNOR. Would you mark that "Exhibit Gray No. 4."

(The above-referred-to document was marked “Gray Exhibit 4" and received in evidence.)

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. What travel is reflected by that trip, Mr. Gray?
A. Miami-Washington, on July 17, 1966.
Mr. O'CONNOR. All right. That will be Gray exhibit 4.

Now at this time, Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask that there be admitted into the record at the appropriate place all of the exhibits prepared by Mr. Gray which have been used by the committee members during this hearing, the summary sheets.

Mr. Hays. You mean one copy of each, not all copies?
Mr. O'CONNOR. No; one copy of each. .
Mr. Hays. Without objection, it is so ordered.

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