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A. I assist the caseworker in the handling of the casework and other congressional and committee correspondence in the office..

Mr. Hays. Mr. Warren, are you on the committee staff or the personal staff of the Congressman?

The WITNESS. I am on the committee staff.
Mr. Hays. But you work in this office?
The WITNESS. I am in the chairman's office
Mr. Hays. All right.

Q. How long have you been employed on the committee staff?
A. For 3 years.

Q. Have you found that during the past 2 years; that is, from January 3, 1965, to the present-and all of my questions will relate to that period—that you have performed any travel in connection with the performance of your duties on the committee staff?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. How frequently have you traveled in connection with your job on the committee?

A. Well, I couldn't give you an exact number of times. There have been quite a few.

Q. During the past 2 years?
A. During the past 2 years.
Q. Do you hold an airline credit card ?
A. No, I do not, sir.
Q. Have you ever traveled by air during that period?

A. Yes, I have, sir. :. Q. And when you have traveled by air have you always claimed subsistence and per diem on a voucher?

A. No, I have not, sir.

Q. Well, would you explain to us why you haven't claimed per diem in each instance where you have traveled?

A. Well, the traveling I have done has been between Washington and New York and during the time that I was in New York I always stayed with friends. So I never felt it was necessary.

Q. Well, when you went to New York, were you sent there by the chairman or someone superior to you on the committee staff to perform some duties?

A. When I was into New York I was sent by the chairman.
Q. In each instance?
A. In each instance.
Q. Did you ever travel to Miami during this period?
A. To my knowledge, no, sir.

Q. Well, now, we want you to think back and tell us to the best of your knowledge whether, since January 3, 1965, you have taken a trip to Miami on any occasion in connection with the performance of your duties.

A. No, sir; I have no such knowledge of it.

Mr. Hays. Mr. Warren, would you have any knowledge you would surely remember if you had made any trips to Miami in the Ast half or the last three quarters of 1966, wouldn't you?

The WITNESS. Well, sir, I would like to state as of July 9 of this year I left the committee because I went on active duty for a period of 5 months and I have just returned here as of 3 weeks ago.

Mr. Hays. Let me ask you this, Mr. Warren, did you travel to Miami at any time during the month of May or the month of June of this year? The WITNESS. No, I did not, sir.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. You haven't been working for the committee you weren't working for the committee from July 9, 1966, until 3 weeks ago?

A. Until the 1st of December, that is when I initially came back on the payroll. I was taken off as of the around the ninth. Mr. DICKINSON. Of July? The WITNESS. Of July. Mr. DICKINSON. And went back on the payroll when? The WITNESS. I went back on the payroll as of the 1st of December. Mr. DICKINSON. Thank you.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Mr. Warren, I now show you an Eastern Airlines ticket, flight coupons 1 and 2, which may be marked "Warren exhibit 1,” indicating travel by a J. Warren from New York to Miami on May 15, 1966, and travel from Miami to Washington on May 15, 1966. And I ask you if you took the trip indicated on those tickets.

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A. No, I did not, sir.

Q. Did you have any knowledge that such a ticket had been issued in your name prior to the time that I just handed you this ticket?

A. No. No, sir.

Q. Does this come as a complete surprise to you that your name shows up on that ticket as having performed that travel?

A. Yes and no.

Q. Well, would you explain. What knowledge or information do you have about the ticket which is marked "Warren No. 1??

A. Well, with the letter that you sent you also sent a Thermo-Fax copy.

Q. Very well. Excuse me. Other than the information you received in the letter from the committee prior to your appearance, do you have any knowledge or information about your name being on that Miami ticket?

A. No, sir.

Mr. Hays. In other words, Mr. Warren, the first intimation you had of it was when you received that letter? The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Now, Mr. Warren, I hand you what will be marked "Warren Exhibit No. 2, being flight coupons 1 and 2 of an Eastern Airlines ticket in the name of J. Warren, from Washington to Miami on May 18, 1966, and return from Miami to Washington on May 23, 1966, and I ask you if you made the travel indicated on that ticket.

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A. I know nothing about this.
Mr. Hays. And you did not take the trip?
The WITNESS. I did not make the travel.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Mr. Warren, I am going to show you again Warren exhibit No. 1. Mr. Hays. It seems as though there was a mistake on the sheet here. The ticket from New York to Miami which has your name on it-and we are doing this to clear the record—shows that it was used on the 21st of May, going to Miami. But the return from Miami to New York—maybe this was a reverse trip, I don't know, but it was used on the 15th of May. So it would appear that whoever used this ticketand you said you didn't—started out in Miami and came up here and then went back.

I don't know. But in any case, after looking at it again, you say you didn't use it; is that right?

The WITNESS. No; I did not use it.
Mr. Hays. You know nothing about it?

Mr. WAGGONNER. If that conflict does exist, this ticket having been used on the 21st rather than on the 15th, then there is a further conflict because the transportation between Washington and Miami on the 18th by Warren tooMr. DICKINSON. Credited to Mr. Warren. Mr. WAGGONNER. At least credited to him as having traveled then.

Mr. TAYLER. Do you have another Miami-Washington ticket for Mr. Warren over there? It should be No. 2.

Warren exhibit No. 2, I believe, was correctly identified in the record as showing travel from Washington to Miami on May 18 and the return from Miami to Washington on May 23; yes. There is no error with respect to No. 2. He has answered with respect to that one.

Mr. Hays. Yes.
Mr. TAYLER. We have one more.

Mr. Hays. The third one I have in my hand which I will show you indicates that somebody traveled with the name J. Warren on the ticket to Miami and return, both on the same day, June 29. I would ask you if you used those or know anything about them?

Mr. TAYLER. That is the year 1966, Mr. Warren.
THE WITNESS. No; I did not.

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Q. You did not use them?
A. No; I did not use them.

Q. And the second part of the chairman's question; do you know anything about the tickets?

A. Well, I have picked up tickets before at the ticket office for the chairman and

Q. In your name?

A. I have picked tickets up in my name. You know it is more convenient when you are buying them at the time.

Q. With whose credit card?

A. I don't remember, because I always recived the cards from the chairman.

Q, You received—now my questions are directed to this period January 3, 1965, to the present. During that time is it your testimony that Mr. Powell has given you a credit card and sent you to the Capitol airlines ticket office to purchase tickets in your name?

A. No; the chairman has not instructed me to purchase the tickets in my name. The reservations people were told we would be picking up tickets and I would go over and I would pick them up.

Q. What instructions did you have from Mr. Powell as to the name of the traveler that you should give to the airline to place on the ticket?

A. I don't remember any specific instructions concerning that.

Q. Well, then, these instances such as the ones we have just shown you, such as the Miami trips which you say you didn't make, how did it come about that your name appears on the tickets as the traveler, if you know?

A. I wouldn't have any idea. Mr. Hays. Is it possible, Mr. Warren, that you might have been sent over to the ticket office and said there are tickets over there, go over and pick them?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hays. And would you take a credit card with you when you did that or would you just-can you remember whether you always took a credit card or whether you just went over and picked up tickets that they said were there to pick up?

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