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in groups of 200 with a billing wrapped around them and we have no numeric reference for those. We don't know whether this ticket was used as originally issued for transportation as issued, or whether it was honored by British Overseas, Pan American, Trans-Texas or whom, and in trying to locate this ticket we go to the most logical carrier who would have accepted that, based on routing, and if we don't find it we go through many carrier records to try to find it. That is the extent of the research which makes it difficult.

Mr. D!CKINSON. Many of these tickets we are looking for might have been exchanged and just lost

The WITNESS. Not lost. It is just a matter of locating them.

For example, we honor 1.5 million tickets and sell 750,000 a month. The large number of ticket transactionsMr. Hays. I am surprised you found as many as you did.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. This extensive search you just described for tickets on other airlines, when the original purchase was made on Eastern, did you conduct that kind of a search for this committee?

A. Yes, sir. Not to the total extent of saying we have 130 carriers billing us, and we check every carrier.

Q. You just checked the most logical carrier in each instance?
A. Yes.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Mr. Grayson, these are executive sessions. I wonder if for the record you would identify the gentlemen who have accompanied you and their positions with Eastern Airlines?

A. Mr. John B. Warner, supervisor, air travel plan accounting. He is headquartered in Miami.

Mr. C. J. Powers, supervisor, passenger statistics, Miami.

Mr. RUSSELL. Mr. Chairman, may the record also show that the search that Mr. Grayson referred to was undertaken pursuant to the subpena requiring production of records? Mr. Hays. The record will so show.

The WITNESS. I would like to say I appreciate the courtesy of the committee and Mr. O'Connor in taking us at this time, so hopefully we can get out of town before the snow gets us.

Mr. Hays. Mrs. Ellison, will you raise your right hand and be sworn?

Whereupon BETTY D. ELLISON, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

By Mr. O'Connor:
Q. State your name and address for the record.

A. Betty D. Ellison. My address is 108 Wilmington Place SW., Washington, D.C.

Mr. Hays. Mrs. Ellison, your appearance before this committee will be in executive session unless you request a public session. If your appearance is in executive session, the press and public will not be admitted to the hearing room and pursuant to paragraph 26, House of Representatives rule XI, your testimony may not be released or used in public session without the consent of the committee. If your

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appearance is in public session, the public and news reporters will be
admitted. But television and news photographers will be excluded.
I now ask you whether you choose to appear in executive session or
public session.

The WITNESS. I choose to appear in executive session.
Mr. Hays. Thank you, Mrs. Ellison.

You have been informed that you could have counsel with you if you wanted to?

The WITNESS. No; I haven't. Mr. Hays. I will then so inform you and if you desire counsel, we will give you time to obtain one. If you desire to proceed without it, we will proceed.

The WITNESS. I desire to proceed without counsel.

Mr. Hays. Did you receive a copy of paragraph 26, rule XI, along with your letter?

The WITNESS. Yes, I did.
Mr. Hays. You were here when I read my opening statement yes-
terday?

The WITNESS. I was here.
Mr. Hays. And you understood it?
The WITNESS. Yes.

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. Mrs. Ellison, where are you employed at the present time?

A. At the present time I am not working. I stopped working with the committee at the end of September because I had a baby and I had to stay home.

Q. September 1966?
A. That is right.
Q. When did you go to work for the committee?
A. I went to work for the committee in September 1965.
Q. Would that be September 1965?
A. That is right.
Q. Were you on the full committee or the ad hoc committee?
A. Full committee.
Q. What were your duties?

A. I kept the legislative calendar for the committee and did various office duties.

Q. In connection with your duties was it necessary to travel?
A. I only made one trip and that was to New York.
Q. When was that trip made?
A. I do not know the exact date. It must have been around July.
Q. Of what year?
A. This year.
Q. 1966?
A. Yes.
Q. That is the only trip you made to New York?
A. Yes, it is.

Q. Mrs. Ellison, the reason you have been called before the committee is because when you were contacted in connection with the investigation you refused to give any information concerning that trip.

A. That is right.
Q. I am going to ask you was the trip made on official business?

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A. When I made the trip, when I got to New York, all I did was fill out some cards from a mailing list, calling a meeting. What kind of meeting, I do not know. All I did was type the names on the postal cards.

Q. What type of mailing list was it?

A. I do not know. I just had a list of names to type, names on the postal cards. I did not ask any questions.

Q. At what office was this typing done?

A. It was done in the office of his church because they had typewriters we could use.

Q. I think Mr. Powell had a congressional office at his church; did he not?

A. I do not know if he had a congressional office at his church or not. That is the first time I had been there. All I know, we were there using the typewriters; that is all.

Q. How did you make the trip to New York?
A. I drove my car to New York.
Q. Did anyone accompany you?
A. Yes.
Q. Who?

A. Three other people: Odell Clark, Goldie Baldwin, Charles Jackson.

Q. On the way up did you discuss the purpose of the trip?
A. No; we did not.

Q. In other words, you were just told to go to New York and nothing was said about what was going to happen after you got to New York?

A. That is right. I did not ask any questions.
Q. When you got to New York, they told you to type these cards?
A. That is right.
Q. How long were you in New York typing cards?

A. We got there about 9 o'clock in the evening and we typed I guess around 12. It was too late to drive back so we stayed overnight.

Q. You came back the next day?
Ă. That is right. Early the next morning.
Q. Did you claim per diem?
A. Yes, I did because I drove my car.

Q. You got allowance for car mileage and also per diem overnight and you claimed that?

A. Yes. Q. Is that the only trip you made with the committee? A. That is the only trip I made. Q. Could you think back about the cards you typed? A. There is nothing to think about. I told you all I know. Mr. Hays. Were they blank on the other side or was there a message on the other side or do you recall?

The WITNESS. I do not remember the exact wording of the message.
All I knew is we were calling a meeting. What kind, I do not know.
It did not say on the card.
Mr. Hays. Were there very many cards?

The WITNESS. Quite a few.
Mr. Hays. How many worked on the typing?
The WITNESS. There were three of us.
Mr. Hays. How many would you say you typed?
The WITNESS. I don't know offhand because they were split up.

Mr. Hays. How many would you say you personally typed?
The WITNESS. I guess around 200.

By Mr. O'Connor:
Q. This was just a one-night operation?
A. That is right.
Q. And you got there about 9 o'clock and typed until midnight?
A. That is right.
Q. And you came back the next day?
Ă. That is right.
Q. Odell Clark and who else?
A. Goldie Baldwin and Charles Jackson.
Mr. O'CONNOR. I have no further questions.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Waggonner?

Mr. WAGGONNER. You say there was a message calling a meeting at a specified time and place. Was the card signed by anybody? Was there any indication in the message as to who was sending the card making an announcement of the meeting?

The WITNESS. The chairman's signature was on the cards. Mr. WAGGONNER. Did he sign it as chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor?

The WITNESS. No; he just signed his name, “Adam C. Powell.”
Mr. WAGGONNER. That is all, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Nedzi?
Mr. NEDZI. Who is Goldie Baldwin?

The WITNESS. She has been with the committee for about 5 years. She is a secretary with the full committee.

Mr. NEDZI. Mr. Jackson?

The WITNESS. I do not know. I think he was a summer intern. He was from New York. Mr. NEDZI. Did they drive back with you the following day? The WITNESS. Yes; they did. Mr. NEDZI. And Mr. Clark, also?

The WITNESS. No; Mr. Clark did not come back with us. I did not know what his business was, but he did not come back with me. Mr. NEDZI. Did they type?..

The WITNESS. Charles Jackson and Goldie Baldwin did. Mr. NEDZI. I have no further questions. Mr. Hays. Are there any further questions? If not, thank you very much, Mrs. Ellison. You are excused and are excused from the subpena.

(Witness excused.)
Mr. Hays. Mr. Steinhauer, will you stand and be sworn?
Whereupon,

JAMES STEINHAUER, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

Mr. Hays. Will you state for the record your full name, Mr. Steinhauer?

The WITNESS. James Steinhauer.
Mr. Hays. And your tile?

The WITNESS. Regional manager, Western Union, Washington,
D.C.
Mr. Hays. Your address, please?
The WITNESS. My home address?

Mr. Hays. Yes.
The WITNESS. 8105 Ashford Court, Springfield, Va.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Mr. Steinhauer, are you appearing here today pursuant to a subpena served upon Western Union to produce its records relating to telegraphic service furnished the minority office of the House Education and Labor Committee for the period ending September 30, 1965?

A. I am.
Q. Did the subpena specify any particular telegraphic message?
A. No.
Q. I do not have a copy of the subpena here.
A. Not that I recall, sir.

Q. Did you bring with you the records that are specified in the subpena?

A. I brought the records that are available.

Q. Would you read what the subpena said and described as the records that are called for?

A. (Reading:)

Including copies of all telegraphic messages or other services represented by this charge.

Q. What precedes that? A. Pardon me, maybe I should read the entire thing: And bring with you all records of the Western Union relating to a charge of $4,136.85 as shown by Western Union bill for the period ending September 1965, directed to the Minority House of Representatives Education and Labor Committee, including copy of all telegraphic messages or other services represented by this charge.

Q: Very well. Did you bring whatever records you have in your A. Yes; I did.

Q. Did you find in your files a copy of the telegraphic message that pertains to that subpena?

A. Yes; I did.
Q. Will you produce that, please?

files?

A. Yes, sir.

(Document handed to counsel.) Mr. Ta YLER. May this be marked “Steinhauer Exhibit No. 12''?

WASHINGTON, D.C., July 21, 1965. Hon. PAUL C. JONES House of Representatives, Washington, D.C.:

Please check the Congressional Record and read carefully the remarks of the Honorable Al Quie. He was able finally to get a list of the people Sargent Shriver has hired as consultants and advisers to him in connection with the so-called antipoverty program. Suggest you review the list in the Congressional Record very carefully. You may find a constituent or a newspaper friend or someone who has been placed in a position to build his own political machine to run against you. If you have further questions regarding the 400 advisers and consultants,

of whom are being paid more than you, please call me at 5231. Furthermor

re suggest you be on the floor tomorrow to hear my explanation and to listen

our colleague Congressman Buchanan discuss his amendment in connection with the church-state issue. Thank you.

CONGRESSMAN AYRES. (The above-referred-to document was marked “Steinhauer Exhibit 1” and received in evidence.)

Mr. JONES. Mr. Chairman, due to the brevity of the message, I wonder if it iust could not be read so that the committee would have we opportunity to know the subject that we are discussing.

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