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column would be the date of the travel as verified by the actual ticket usage by the airlines. The ticket number is an abbreviated ticket number. We have the tickets and they would be available.
Any ticket that you would be interested in seeing, we have the ticket
Q. You mean to present to the witness in case some question comes up about it?
A. That is right.
Q. Am I right that the column “From" and "To," that is the origin of the flight and the destination?
A. Right, right.
Q. And then there is a bracket on the first entry you have here. What does that bracket indicate?
A. That means that all of that travel was purchased on one ticket.
Q. OK. Going down below that you have “From," "TO," "District of Columbia,” “New York,” and you have an arrow pointing both ways. Would you explain that to the committee?
A. Those tickets were purchased on the New York-District of Columbia shuttle flight, Eastern Airlines shuttle flight, and the ticket doesn't indicate whether the flight was made from New York to the District of Columbia, or from the District of Columbia to New York. So it can be either way on those.
Q. In other words, when you buy a ticket on the shuttle, why, you could be going in either direction?
A. That is right.
Q. And you cannot tell from the ticket receipt which way they were going?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir.
The WITNESS. We don't have reference here, not on this sheet, no. Mr. Jones. In other words, say there were 18 credit cards that were floating around. Have you identified which credit card Mr. Clark used or did he use the same credit card each time and did he apparently carry a credit card with him? Did you get that information?
The WITNESS. It is available. We haven't summarized it exactly that way. We have it on the ticket. We have all of the tickets which would show the credit-card purchase.
Mr. JONES. That is the thing I think we are going to have to do, who bought the tickets and to establish who had certain credit cards. Unless we have that we are going to be in a mess. There is no sign of these tickets by anybody; is there?
Mr. Hays. Oh, yes.
Mr. JONES. What? I mean as to who used the ticket on the plane, Wayne.
Mr. O'CONNOR. The evidence I think is going to show that in certain cases the individual's credit card is right there and his name is on it, but, for instance, in the case of the Givens girl, Stone purchased the ticket, Givens' name is on that ticket, and Givens is the one that is credited with the travel. In other instances it will be Stone's credit card and the name of Harris will be on it or some other name, and we are unable to determine whether Harris or the other name actually performed that travel.
In other cases there is a committee account number, and on many tickets the committee account number appears without reference to the individual credit card. You see
Mr. Jones. I do not want to delay this. What I was trying to get at is this, in other words, if I can go off the recordMr. Hays. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. O'CONNOR. May we proceed again, gentlemen.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. On the right-hand side, under "Remarks,” you have certain notations like “Traveled with Harris," "Traveled with Huff.” Could you explain those notations to us?
A. Yes. Those are cross-referenced with—we will have a sheet for each of these other travelers and these will be cross-referenced to travel on the same flight with another employee or member of the committee.
Q. Now, if any of these tickets were purchased for personal travel, purchased with the official credit card for personal travel, did you take into consideration refunds that were made by the travelers, if it was for personal travel ?
A. Yes. Those were eliminated from our study.
The WITNESS. We have a notation on our detail sheets that would show that that was refunded by an individual. Mr. DICKINSON. How did you ascertain that this was the fact?
The WITNESS. When the committee submits its voucher normally for payment for the airline travel, they would attach the personal checks which covered any items on that billing of personal travel with that voucher and it would go through the finance office here and they would pay the difference between what was billed or what they paid, taking off the personal checks, you see.
Mr. DICKINSON. Without getting too far afield into this, isn't there a difference in what you have to pay, if it is personal and Government? Isn't one tax free?
The WITNESS. No, sir; these are all taxed tickets. Mr. DICKINSON. All taxed. Thank you. Mr. NEDZI. Can we determine how much money was actually refunded for personal travel ?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir; we can.
Mr. NEDZI. Just in order of magnitude.
The WITNESS. No; it was a very small amount. I think I–I would have to check specifically but I think we have two refunds from Mr. Powell.
Mr. NEDZI. I think that would be useful to have for the record, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Hays. Yes; we will have it for the record. You can bring it to us. The WITNESS. Yes, sir.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. I would like to hand you a copy of a letter from Eastern Airlines, dated December 13, 1966, enclosing photostats of certain refund checks.
We will have that marked “Exhibit Gray 1.”
(The above referred to document was marked "Gray Exhibit 1" and received in evidence.)
EASTERN AIR LINES INC.,
Miami, Fla., December 13, 1966. Mr. ROBERT D. GRAY, Committee on House Administration, Washington, D.C.
DEAR MR. GRAY: In accordance with your request enclosed are copies of the last four checks received in favor of the House Education and Labor Department Air Travel Plan Account. Sincerely yours,
J. B. WERNER,
Supervisor, Air Travel Plan Accounting. Enclosures : Copies checks $197.15, $197.15, $112.56, $541.66.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
A. That came about through a-subsequent to September 30, our cutoff date, and the committee submitted three vouchers for payment.
Q. Which committee is this, now?
A. The Education and Labor Committee. And on two of those vouchers there was a reference to personal checks for reimbursement of personal travel.
Now, the vouchers said that the checks were attached and when the vouchers came through the House Administration Committee the
checks were not attached. And so we called Eastern Airlines' headquarters in Miami and they ran the checks down for us. They had been sent directly to Eastern rather than attached to the voucher and they sent us photostatic copies of the checks.
Q. Will you read for the committee the amounts of the checks and who the date, the payee, the amount, and who it is signed by.
A. The date of the first check is October 28, 1966; payee, Eastern Airlines; amount, $541.66, and the signature is Adam C. Powell, per L. M. Dargans.
The second check dated October 28, 1966; payee, Eastern Airlines; the amount, $112.56, signed by Adam C. Powell, per L. M. Dargans.
Third check, July 29, 1966; payee, Committee on Education and Labor, $197.15, signed by Adam C. Powell.
That, incidentally, was endorsed over to Eastern Airlines by Mr. Powell.
Q. By the committee, the payee ?
The last check was dated July 29, 1966; payee, Committee on Education and Labor; the amount, $197.15; signed by Corrine A. Huff. That also was endorsed over to Eastern Airlines by Mr. Powell as chairman of the committee.
Q. What bank is the Huff check drawn on?
Mr. JONES. Does the endorsement show when those checks were paid? I am talking about those in July particularly. Mr. Hays. The bank endorsement ought to show it.
The WITNESS. There doesn't seem to be-
Mr. O'Connor. They are very poor photostatic copies and we haven't seen the originals on it.
Mr. Hays. There is a stamp on it but you can't read it.
Mr. JONES. There were two checks there in July, the same date, weren't there?
Mr. Nedzi. Yes, sir.
Mr. TAYLER. Both to the committee, one from Huff and one from Mr. Powell.
Mr. Hays. The stamps are so dim, Paul, you can't read them.
Mr. Hays. Here is a stamp on one dated July 29, November 9, 1966. I don't know.what that stamp means. It is just a stamped date there. It looks like some kind of bank statement.
The WITNESS. I can probably explain the delay. As I understand it from talking to Eastern Airlines, these checks were sent down to Eastern but the two that were made out to the Committee on Education and Labor they couldn't cash until they were endorsed over to them, so they had to send them back here for that endorsement. Mr. JONES. I see. Mr. O'CONNOR. I think we ought to move along rather rapidly.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Mr. Gray, in your remarks you indicated there were 149 employees on the Education and Labor Committee payroll during the period January 3, 1965, to September 30. How did you arrive at that?