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(The above-referred-to document was marked "Harris Exhibit 3" and received in evidence.)
By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Did you know before you appeared here this morning that your name is shown on committee airline tickets as the traveler in the instances that we have just gone over?
A. No, sir; I did not. Well, not until I got the letter from Congressman Burleson.
Q. Until you received the letter preliminary to this hearing you were not aware of the fact that your name was shown as traveling between those places?
A. That is right, sir.
Q. Did you know of any practice in the office of the committee or in the congressional office whereby tickets were purchased in the names of staff employees and used by other people?
A. I cannot say that I did know. I did not know that was the practice.
Q. Had you heard any discussions by any of the staff members about such a practice?
A. No. I was totally unaware of names being put on any tickets. I had no idea my name had ever been used. Mr. TAYLER. That is all I have.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Do I understand that you are a secretary in the Congressman's office?
A. Yes, sir.
A. For the Congressman; I did casework and various secretarial duties as needed.
Q. Did you work for Mr. Stone also?
A. Only if he asked me to do some special thing at any given minute. For the most part the answer would be “No, I did not work for Mr. Stone."
Q: Were you ever requested to pick up airline tickets for Mr. Stone or the Congressman?
A. Many times I had picked up tickets for any number of people.
Q. And would you go over to the airline ticket office to obtain those tickets?
A. I have picked up tickets from both the ariline ticket office and from the office of Mrs. Dargans.
Q. Well, let's just confine it to the--
Q. No. Let's just confine it to the Congressman's office first, the tickets that I am going to ask about now.
A. I mean they were tickets for the Congressman's office, but Mrs. Dargans would just say “Come, around and pick them up."
Q. You would take the authorization over and pick up the tickets and you would take the travel card over also?
A. No. When I would go for the ticket, by that time it would be merely a matter of performing the messenger part of it. I didn't do anything that involved any arrangements.
Mr. Hays. In other words, the order had been sent over and they called back that the ticket was made out?
The WITNESS. The ticket was ready.
By Mr. O'CONNOR. In other words, you never took the travel card over and had the tickets written up and brought them back?
A. No; she always arranged for that.
Q. Were you ever given the names of people that were listed as travelers on those tickets that you picked up?
A. I don't think that I was given-I can't say really that I was ever given any specific name. If Mrs. Dargans asked me to go and pick up tickets, sometimes she would have me come pick up tickets from her office, and she always had them in an envelope that was sealed. She would say there are some tickets-everything that happened was for the Congressman, that would be how she worded it. “Come pick up some tickets for the Congressman.” And the envelope was sealed. It was merely a messenger duty. So I can't say definitely that I did or did not pick up tickets for any given person.
Q. What were the names of the other girls in the office with you?
A. Oh, at various times we had-frankly, there was only one other girl, Mrs. Himes and Mrs. Swann.
Q. Mrs. Swann?
Q. Did you ever hear her, discuss with her the fact that airline tickets were purchased in her name?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you have any general discussions in the office about the use of employees' names on tickets for the Congressman?
A. No. As I said before and if there was such a discussion, I will say here off the record or on the record that I tried to avoid that comment or line of gossip. For one reason, you could really get your head chopped off real good if something leaked, and I made it my business to try to know as little as I could about something that didn't affect my work.
Q. And you never were asked permission to use your name in connection with travel?
A. No; definitely not.
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Q. Nobody on the staff of the Congressman ever requested your authority to use your name?
A. That is right.
By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Mrs. Harris, I am going to show you a transportation request for a shuttle flight between Washington and New York on Eastern Airlines, March 28, 1965, which is in the record as Dargans exhibit No. 3 and which purports to bear your signature in the upper lefthand corner. Will you tell me whether that is your signature.
A. No; it is not.
Mr. WAGGONNER. You have given us a rather full account of your part in actually procuring tickets once they have been made out, and you testified that you did primarily casework. Did it ever fall your responsibility to arrange reservations for committee travel or for members of the office staff to travel?
The WITNESS. I can't think of a—no, I could say that I never arranged any trip. I have had to call to find out what possible flights were available and to give such information to people. But so far as following through, making the arrangements, I can recall no such instance.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Was the office staff so organized that when such arrangements were made, generally speaking, somebody had this responsibility, it didn't just go from one to another, depending upon who might be available?
The WITNESS. So far as I know, sir—now I could be wrong, misinformed on this—but it was always my idea that Mrs. Dargans was the person responsible for that and she was rather jealous of that responsibility. People didn't tread on that.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Could you tell me who generally gave her the direction which was necessary in arranging such travel? Did it come from the Congressman himself or from his administrative assistant?
The WITNESS. That I cannot answer. I am sure that they must have got orders from both, but that would be conjecture on my part. I don't know.
Mr. WAGGONNER. No further questions, Mr. Chairman.
The WITNESS. No; I was not on the staff when she was with the committee, and when she has purportedly been in Washington I have not seen her. I don't know her.
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Mr. NEDZI. Have you ever seen her?
The WITNESS. I don't know, because it was before I was on the staff of the committee so I don't-I don't know the dates.
Mr. NEDZI. In all the time that you were working with the Congressman, was she performing any kind of service?
The WITNESS. I don't know how often this happened, but I have, on some three or four different occasions, mailed to her letters that came in from Puerto Rican or Spanish-speaking constituents, because I did the casework, and we have mailed that to her for translation in some instances. If the New York-Puerto Rican constituent was asking about something that you would refer to some official in Puerto Rico, we generally would go through Mrs. Powell to get to whatever person it was. I didn't have—I don't have any idea of how many times I did that. I didn't do it daily or even weekly, but I have on some different occasions.
As a matter of fact, there were many, many times, really, in sorting the mail that he would have one of the secretaries, usually it was Mr. Berens during the time that I was there, come in and go through the mail
Mr. NEDZI. Would you fix the time period you are talking about now; when was this?
The Witness. This was during the entire time that I was in his office.
Mr. NEDZI. This was in 1965?
The WITNESS. Yes; during any part of the period it would have happened, A stack of mail so high, there would usually be some, at least three or four pieces, several pieces that he would direct to Mrs. Powell. He would go through the mail and just look at it and say, “Send this to Dargans, send this to this person, send this to that one.” That is how he went. Mr. NEDZI. Have you any idea what the content of that mail was?
The WITNESS. Not now. Varied and sundry. I was aware only of that that had to do with the casework, because that is what I worked on. I wouldn't be able to say just exactly what it was. Mr. NEDZI. “Various and sundry” has no—
The WITNESS. “Various and sundry” meant it could be about anything, meaning that I don't really—I couldn't say what the content was.
Mr. NEDZI. Were any responses received from her and communicated to the office to your knowledge?
The WITNESS. Yes. Such papers, insofar as the casework was concerned, and I just imagine with the others, but I know that I did receive back some replies on the casework. Mr. NEDZI. What was the nature of the reply, to your memory?
The WITNESS. Well, in handling casework, you know, we just would send out a copy of the inquiry to whoever would be the person to give us some type of answer. It if was a matter of translating it, you would get a translation back. If it had been a matter of bucking it to some person, you would get it back, just as you do when you send a request to one of the departments here, that you would get the constituent's letter back and a copy of the reply from him.
Mr. NEDZI. Now, in all these cases, Mrs. Powell would be in Puerto Rico?
The WITNESS. At any time that I sent it she was in Puerto Rico.
Mr. Hays. Mrs. Harris, allegation has been made that this committee is making scapegoats out of the staff. Do you feel that you have been made a scapegoat in any way by this committee?
The WITNESS. By your committee?
The WITNESS. No, sir, I don't. And I do appreciate really the consideration you gave me yesterday in allowing me to not sit here and to go back to the office. I didn't feel that I was a scapegoat.
Mr. Hays. Do you feel maybe you might have been made a scapegoat in some way or other by having your name used without your knowledge?
The WITNESS. Yes, I do. I don't like it. At this point I don't see that there is anything I can do except personally not like it.
Mr. Hays. I think that is fair enough. Certainly there is no imputation against you or any indication of any wrongdoing on your part. It appears that your name was used without your knowledge and you have so testified, isn't that right?
The WITNESS. Right, sir.
Mr. Hays. Thank you very much, Mrs. Harris. You are discharged from the subpena.
The WITNESS. Thank you. Mr. Hays. I want to say off the record(Discussion off the record.) Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Anderson. (Witness excused.) Mr. Hays. Mr. Anderson, will you state your full name and address for the record.
Mr. ANDERSON. Donald Louis Anderson, 709-A Delaware Avenue SW., Washington.
Mr. Hays. Will you stand and raise your right hand.
DONALD L. ANDERSON, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
By Mr. O'Connor: Q. Mr. Anderson, you are employed on the staff of Representative Powell?
A. No. I am technically on a leave of absence with the Citizens Crusade Against Poverty, and have been since April 1.
Q. April 1 of 1966 ?
Q. Were you at one time employed on the staff of Congressman Powell?
A. Yes, I was the previous 2 years, approximately 2 years and 1 month.
Mr. Hays. Just a moment. Off the record.