(The above-referred to document was marked "Himes Exhibit 4" and received in evidence.)

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. I ask you if you used that ticket for that travel.

A. No, sir.

Q. I show you an Eastern Airline ticket in your name indicating travel between Miami and Washington, D.C., on October 30, 1965, Exhibit Himes No. 5.

(The above-referred-to document was marked "Himes Exhibit No. 5" and received in evidence.)

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. Did you make the travel indicated on that ticket?

A. No, sir.

Q. I now show you an airline ticket from Washington to New York in your name for travel on February 25, made the travel indicated on that ticket.

1966, and I ask you if you That will be Himes No. 6.

(The above-referred-to document was marked "Himes Exhibit No. 6" and received in evidence.)

The WITNESS. No, sir.

Mr. HAYS. Mrs. Himes, did you have any knowledge that your name was on these tickets?

The WITNESS. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. HAYS. Until today?

The WITNESS. I did not. I knew from the letter I received I was charged with these eight trips.

Mr. HAYS. That is the first time you knew anything about it?
The WITNESS. No, sir.

Mr. HAYS. You never heard it about the committee?

The WITNESS. No, sir.

Mr. HAYS. They did it completely without your knowledge?
The WITNESS. That is right.

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. Do you have any information about the practice within the committee of listing employees as being travelers on airline tickets when in fact other persons were using those tickets?

A. No, sir; I do not have any personal knowledg of that.

Mr. HAYS. You are satisfied from looking at these vouchers that your name was used?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir; I see that it was.

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. O'CONNOR. May I ask a few questions, Mr. Chairman?

By Mr. O'CONNOR:

Q. You are Mr. Stone's secretary and have been since

A. April 1965.

Q. You work right in the office with Mr. Stone?

A. I work in the back office in the workshop and Mr. Stone is in the administrative assistant's office.

Q. During the period that you have been up there, there has been a substantial number of airline tickets purchased by Mr. Stone. A. Yes.

Q. Do you go over to the airline office to pick those tickets up? A. No, sir.

Q. He takes instructions directly from Mr. Stone in connection with that?

A. Yes.

Q. Have you heard any conversations in the office about the use of your name and the names of other girls?

A. I was not aware that my name had been used.

Q. Were you aware that other names were being used?

A. Yes.

Q. Who made you aware of that?

A. In general conversation I would assume that other names were used but I cannot truthfully tell you who took trips.

Q. I am not talking about taking trips. I am talking about the names of other persons on tickets.

Q. Who would you have heard it from?

A. I would just say in general discussions in the office.

Q. Between whom? You and Miss Harris?

A. Of course Miss Harris has not been there in quite some time. Q. Who would you discuss this with over coffee?

A. This is very difficult to answer. I do not know how to answer that. We were all aware that various staff members' names were being used. I mean you cannot help but be aware because I made reservations in other staff people's names. But I really do not know

how to answer what you are asking me.

Q. In other words, general office talk?

A. Yes. Of course, several of us made reservations.

Q. Do you recall Mr. Stone's trip to Bimini in August 1966?
A. In August?

Q. When he and his wife went down to Bimini?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Was there discussion concerning this trip before he left on his vacation? Did you know he was going to Bimini?

A. I knew he was going to Bimini. I did not know it was called a vacation.

Q. You did not?

A. Are you saying this was vacation?

Q. I don't know. You were aware that he and his wife were going to Bimini?

A. I was aware they were going to Bimini.

Q. Were you aware that his wife was going to travel under the name of a staff member?

A. No, sir; I was not. As a matter of fact, I thought that was made in her name.

Q. I have no further questions.

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. Mrs. Himes, in those instances where other staff members' names were placed on these tickets, and those staff members did not make the travel, do you know who made the travel?

A. No. I said I did not know who made what travel.

Q. Do you know who was using the tickets without relating them to any specific trips?

A. No, sir.

Mr. TAYLER. Mr. Chairman, may Himes exhibits 1 through 6 be admitted at the appropriate place in the record?

Mr. HAYS. Without objection.

Mr. Waggonner, do you have any questions?

Mr. WAGGONNER. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

Mrs. Himes, you say that you served as Mr. Stone's personal secretary in the congressional office?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Are you aware of any correspondence going from Mrs. Powell or Miss Flores, coming from her in Puerto Rico, to the congressional office, or any correspondence going from the congressional office to her in Puerto Rico?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir; by virtue only of the tops of the envelopes. I would not have had access to any of it.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Can you give the committee any indication as to the regularity of correspondence going or coming and at what interval?

The WITNESS. No, sir; I could not. My job had nothing to do with the front desk.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Did you see some of this correspondence, the envelopes at least which went to Puerto Rico and came from Puerto Rico?

The WITNESS. I did not see the correspondence.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Did you see the envelopes?

The WITNESS. Yes, it was obvious

Mr. WAGGONNER. The envelopes you did see in which the correspondence was enclosed.

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WAGGONER. Did it happen daily?

The WITNESS. No, I do not think so.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Weekly?

The WITNESS. You see, I did not have a chance to see all of them. I did not see probably one-tenth of the mail that came into the office.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Would you estimate the number of occasions. you did see correspondence which was being exchanged between the congressional office and Puerto Rico?

The WITNESS. But it would not be a fair appraisal because it was so rare that I actually saw the mail come in, you see.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Would you say that it was a rare occasion?

The WITNESs. That I would see it, yes.

Mr. WAGGONNER. You have said earlier in answer to a question that you actually picked up the ticket which you used in going to the Watts area of Los Angeles after the disturbance there?

The WITNESS. Yes.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Did you check that ticket close enough to see whether or not your name was actually on it?

The WITNESS. It would have had to be my name on it because I made my own reservation and in my name.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Did you make your reservation as a member of the_congressional office staff or as a member of the Subcommittee on Poverty staff?

The WITNESS. I did not specify to the reservationist. Mr. Stone gave me the card which I used.

Mr. WAGGONNER. But your assignment there in that office since April 1965 has been as a member of the congressional staff with primary duties serving as personal secretary to Mr. Stone, assistant to the Congressman?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Would you say that your activities and relationships with the committee itself have been few indeed?

It

The WITNESS. No, sir; I would not say they have been few. has been considerable. Mr. Stone has quite a few duties that involve the committee and as a result mine do, too.

Mr. WAGGONNER. You said earlier that by virtue of office talk you were aware of the fact that reservations were being made in the name of one person and actually travel performed by another; is that correct?

The WITNESS. Well, yes, sir; because those people were still there, you know. I mean we are sitting, six of us, or I guess five of us, in a very small room, so you can hear.

Mr. WAGGONNER. In the performance of your duties, did it ever become your lot to make a travel reservation for any member of the committee or office staff?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir; I made quite a few reservations.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Are you aware of ever having made a reservation for one person when in fact travel was to be performed or was performed by another?

The WITNESS. You see, I do not have that knowledge.

Now, do you mean staff members entirely or are you talking about the chairman?

Mr. WAGGONNER. Either.

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

Mr. WAGGONNER. You are aware of this having happened where one person had a reservation made in their name?

The WITNESS. Yes.

Mr. WAGGONNER. And travel was actually performed by another? The WITNESS. Yes.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Who gave your instructions as to who a reservation was to be made for?

The WITNESS. Mr. Stone.

Mr. WAGGONNER: Did it come from the Congressman or Mr. Stone?

The WITNESS. Mr. Stone.

Mr. WAGGONNER. No further questions, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. HAYS. Mr. Dickinson?

Mr. DICKINSON. Very briefly.

You testified you did travel to Los Angeles under your name and went to Watts?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

Mr. DICKINSON. If there is a record it has to be in your name?

The WITNESS. It has to be.

Mr. DICKINSON. And it was on Mr. Stone's committee credit card? The WITNESS. Yes, sir.