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The size of the staffs, the amount of travel performed by the remaining subcommittees is relatively small.

Our findings in general relate to the numerous trips from Washington to New York City and Miami, Fla., and return, by Congressman Powell and certain staff members of the full committee and Subcommittee 7. No subsistence or related expenses were claimed for many of these trips and many of the trips were made to New York City over weekends.

In addition, our analysis of airline tickets used has disclosed that apparently some of the airline tickets or portions thereof purchased with committee credit cards have not been used or turned back to the airlines for credit to the committee account.

Eastern Airlines' search of ticket usage indicates 13 tickets purchased which have never been used or refunded, 27 tickets for which only a portion of the travel had been performed, but no refund has been requested for the unused portion. These tickets have been paid for with Government funds. We have the same situation with some tickets issued by other airlines, but we haven't had those doublechecked as yet.

Q. Did you make detailed findings as to particular staff members of the committee?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Will you tell us your findings with reference to Donald L. Anderson?

A. We have accounted for 14 trips between Washington and New York City, many of which were made on weekends, for which no claims for subsistence or related expenses were made. The claimed reimbursement for subsistence for the period March 26 to April 1, 1965, was for a trip to the west coast and airline records show that a ticket issued to Anderson was used between the District of Columbia and New York City on March 28, 1965, during the period his expense voucher showed him on the west coast.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to Odell Clark, chief investigator of the full committee?

A. Yes. Clark's home address is in New York City. We have accounted for 26 trips between Washington and New York City, many of which were made on weekends, and 8 trips between Washington or New York City and Miami, Fla., for from 8 to 21 days' duration. Also we accounted for four trips between Washington or New York City to Chicago. While Clark claimed reimbursement for subsistence and other expenses on other travel, he made no such claims for the above-described trips. In addition, Eastern Airlines has reported nonuse or refund of six tickets or portions thereof. Also, our analysis of travel shows that Clark traveled and claimed per diem for a trip to Los Angeles March 16 to 20, 1966, and used airline tickets from Washington to Miami, March 11, 1966, and return March 19, 1966.

Q. Did you make a specific finding with respect to Russell C. Derrickson, staff director of the full committee?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Will you explain what that was?

A. We accounted for 23 trips between Washington and New York City, most of which were made on weekends. This was the only

travel of record performed by Derrickson and no subsistence or related expenses were claimed for the travel.

Q. Did you make findings with respect to Aurora Harris, secretary of the full committee?

A. We have accounted for three trips between Washington and New York City and four trips between Washington and Miami, Fla., of from 6 to 9 days' duration. This was the only travel performed by Miss Harris. No subsistence claims were made.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to Will Henderson, assistant clerk to the minority?

A. Mr. Henderson traveled from Washington to San Francisco in August 1965 on the staff of the full committee. We were unable to verify the date of his return. He also traveled from Washington to San Francisco November 11, 1965, and returned January 13, 1966, while on the staff of the Subcommittee No. 7. This is the only travel performed by Henderson and no subsistence was claimed for either of these trips, the second of which covered a period of 2 months.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to Dorothy Himes, administrative assistant?

A. We have accounted for six trips between Washington and New York City and two trips between Washington and Miami, Fla. This is the only travel performed by Miss Himes and no subsistence was claimed.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to Corrine A. Huff, secretary, full committee?

A. We have accounted for five trips between Washington and New York City, all on weekends. We also account for one trip from Miami to Washington on July 17, 1966, approximately 1 month and a half after Miss Huff was off the committee payroll. This was paid for with committee funds.

Q. Did you make specific findings with respect to Malcolm LaPlace, assistant director, Public Information ?

A. Travel for Mr. La Place appeared to be properly claimed except during the period January 12 through 26, 1966, when his subsistence voucher shows him on a trip to the west coast. Airline records show that he returned to Washington on January 21, 1966, which indicates an overclaim of per diem for 5 days, or about $80.

Q. Did you make a specific finding with respect to Cleomine B. Lewis, secretary?

A. We accounted for 5 trips between Washington and New York City and 11 trips between Washington or New York City and Miami, of about 5 to 15 days' duration. This is the only travel performed by Miss Lewis and no claims for subsistence were made for any of the travel. Also we noted that the airline records show Miss Lewis in Miami from April 1 to 16, 1966. However, a ticket issued in her name was used from New York City to Washington and return on April 5, 1966.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to James B. McCarthy, investigator?

A. Payroll records show McCarthy resides in New York City. Our analysis of his travel indicates that he may be working out of New York City but making his claims as though traveling from Washington. Also, McCarthy claimed and was paid reimbursement on an expense voucher of $18 for an airline ticket Washington to. New York City on September 23, 1965. Airline records show that McCarthy used a ticket purchased with the committee credit card for Washington to New York City on the same day, September 23, 1965. The committee may have paid twice for this same travel.

Mr. JONES. Mr. Chairman, I am getting a little confused about the wording of some of these statements. Now the witness has said sometimes that the person did travel. In other places that "it appears" that he did. Then in this last statement it says McCarthy “used” a ticket.

Do we have any evidence that the person actually used the ticket other than the record itself, and have those people been interrogated or do we have any facts there?

Mr. Hays. I am advised by counsel that this is for the record and he will explain these things after he finishes.

Mr. JONES. I mean the wording is not consistent. That is the thing I was trying to follow, and I wondered if there was some reason why the wording was not consistent ? Sometimes we say “it appears.” At other times it makes a statement that "he did” and that is why I was trying to differentiate between the types of statements that were being made.

Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Jones, if we could get this into the record, then Mr. Gray will explain those differences. Certain items are specific. On others there is some question as to whether they did or did not. There is a difference because of the wording of certain allegations.

Mr. DICKINSON. What is this, and do we all have a copy? Mr. O'CONNOR. What the witness is testifying from is an informal report that he made several weeks ago in connection with the findings, with September 30, 1966, being used as a cutoff date. There is some conjecture in here which we did not feel should go into the record.

Mr. DICKINSON. I didn't know whether we were all supposed to have a copy or not.

Mr. O'CONNOR. I don't know whether copies are available or not. We can make a copy available to each member. Certain members were furnished copies of it.

Mr. DICKINSON. What members were furnished copies?
Mr. HAYS. We will delete this discussion.
(Discussion off the record.)
Àr. HAYS. Proceed, Mr. O'Connor.

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Did you make specific findings with reference to Michael Schwartz,
Assistant Labor Counsel ?

A. We have accounted for three trips between Washington and Miami, Fla., for one of which he claims subsistence and related expenses. Payroll records show Schwartz residing in Miami.

On one of the three Miami trips Schwartz appears to have been in Miami 12 days, July 1 to 13, 1965, but did not claim subsistence.

In addition, Schwartz claimed subsistence and other expenses for 17 days in Miami, June 2 to 18, 1966, but we could find no record of his travel to and from Miami.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to C. Sumner Stone, special assistant to the chairman?

A. We have accounted for 40 trips between Washington and New York City, mostly on weekends, and 10 trips between Washington and Miami, Fla., from 2 to 9 days duration for which no subsistence or related expenses were claimed. Eastern Airlines has reported the nonuse or refund of five trips to and from Miami or New York City totaling about $215. Also, Stone was paid $85.44 reimbursement for mileage by private auto from Chicago to Washington on March 24 and 25, 1965, but did not go on the committee payroll until April 1, 1965.

Q. Did you make specific findings with respect to Emma T. Swann, receptionist?

A. We have accounted for 16 trips between Washington and New York City, mostly on weekends, and 13 trips between Washington and Miami, Fla., from 1 to 10 days' duration. Miss Swann also made trips to Buffalo, N.Y., Chicago, Ill., and Knoxville, Tenn., during the period. She made no claim for subsistence or other related expenses for any of the travel during the period.

Q. Did you make specific findings with respect to Alfredo Vidal, administrative assistant ?

A. Mr. Vidal was on the payroll for the month of April 1965 only. He flew at committee expense from Washington to New York City and return March 3 and 4, 1965, and on March 5, 1965, from New York to San Juan, P.R., on a round-trip ticket purchased by credit card. Since the travel was performed before he was on the payroll and the airline has no record of use or refund for the return portion of his ticket from San Juan, Vidal may not have been in Washington during the month of April 1965.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to John E. Warren, assistant clerk? | A. We have accounted for six trips between Washington and New York City and six trips of from 1 to 5 days' duration between Washington and Miami, Fla. This is the only travel performed by Warren and no subsistence claims were made.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to Representative Adam C. Powell?

A. We have accounted for 37 trips between Washington and New York City, most of which were made on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, or Mondays, including weekend travel. We also have accounted for 16 trips between Washington or New York City and Miami for from 6 to 20 days' duration and 6 trips to San Juan, P.R., from 1 to 6 days' duration. No subsistence or related expenses were claimed for the above travel. In addition, Eastern Airline has reported nonuse or refund of eight trips amounting to $214.

Q. Now, the summaries which you have just testified to relating to each individual, could you tell the committee what type of analyses were used on which you based your foregoing findings?

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Q. Do you have a copy of the spread sheet which you could make available to each member and explain in detail how they are set up so that in future testimony when we are referring to spread sheetsand I might inform the members, for each witness we have a spread sheet that you can follow and use in connection with the interrogation.

Perhaps you could explain the way they are made up.
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Now, would you explain to the committee what these spread sheets are that you have handed out and how we follow them.

A. Yes. Now, the only travel that is put on these sheets is the questionable travel.

Q. In other words, there could be additional travel but it is accounted for?

A. That is right. We have considerable additional travel for many of these people but we were able to find that they either claimed per diem for the travel or that there was no irregularity in their voucher or something like that. So we have eliminated that from sheets.

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Mr. NEDZI. Did you eliminate them also from your summary then in your testimony as to the total number of trips?

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Mr. NEDZI. So that these numbers that we are getting

The WITNESS. I think we qualified that as travel that no per diem had been claimed.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. In other words, the numbers you read out before are questionable items?

A. That is right. Mr. Hays. The nonquestionable items you did not include in your totals that you read to the committee just now?

The WITNESS. By individual, no, sir. Mr. Hays. In other words, to be more specific, if you read out the name of Miss “X” and you said she appeared to make 10 round trips between New York and Washington, and she didn't claim per diem for any of those, you read those ?

The WITNESS. Yes.
Mr. Hays. If they did make a trip and did not claim per diem
you didn't include it?
The WITNESS. That is right.

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. That wasn't included ?
A. That is right.
Q. You may proceed, sir.

A. Now, we categorized these possible irregularities here, and you will notice at the top we have "Travel for which claim for subsistence was not made," and that usually is the longest item. We have a considerable listing under that. Now the—we have accounted here for each ticket. There are brackets along the columns here which would indicate that that was travel purchased on one ticket. And the date

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