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The WITNESS. That is what we did do.
Mr. Hays. You would sign a name, would you not?
The WITNESS. I would sign my name. I always signed my name.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. I have another voucher, No. 8535, dated May 31, 1966, for a $16 claim for per diem in New York on March 31 and we have been unable to verify your travel to New York.

A. These vouchers were for my travel and I always traveled in my own name.

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Mr. Hays. Mr. Stone, you said earlier sometimes you didn't make these up for a long time and you didn't keep a very good record. Is it possible you could have been mistaken about the day and you traveled earlier or later?

The WITNESS. I don't think so. I tried to put on the actual days. I think these are the days.

Mr. Hays. I thought this might have happened and that it might help to raise the question.

The WITNESS. I appreciate that, but the day I put down I think that is the day I was where I said I was.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Isn't it possible that you could have traveled on somebody else's travel card?

A. That is possible, yes, but I would have my name, I travel in my own name. I could have used Mrs. Dargans or Mr. Derrickson. But this is 1966. I had a card then. Isn't this in 1966? So I-or 1965. As I say, I don't know when I got these cards. If I could find out

Q. How long after you had been working for Mr. Powell were you issued the cards?

A. I don't know, a year, 7 or 8 months. I don't know exactly when.

Q. Well, here is a shuttle in-flight ticket, purchased on Mr. Powell's card, which you apparently are the traveler.

A. Yes.

Q. Would that be an explanation for possibly your being in New York?

A. That is right, yes.
Q. Without-

A. This is his signature, I think. Two or three times I went along with him, more than two or three times I went along with him where he purchased the tickets. But that was a long time ago.

Q. Mr. GrayA. After I got the card I used my own. Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Gray, on tickets like that, could you tell the committee whether you carried the travel on Mr. Powell's or Stone's name? There is a group of tickets reflecting travel.

Mr. GRAY. It would be Stone.

Mr. O'CONNOR. It would be carried as Stone as the traveler, so that wouldn't necessarily hold true. Let me have that back.

Mr. Hays. Is this one that needs some question?

Mr. O'CONNOR. No; I am just pulling them at random, Mr. Chairman, because we have a large group of tickets here and I thought possibly a pattern would evolve.

I have no further questions of this witness.
Mr. TAYLER. I have some.

By Mr. TAYLER: Q. Mr. Stone, you have been with Mr. Powell as special assistant to the chairman since March of 1965; is that right?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you recall ever meeting a woman named Pearl Swangin, S-w-a-n-g-i-n?

A. Yes.

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Q. Who is Miss Swangin?

A. She is an old family friend of Mr. Powell's. She has been with him for a long, long time.

Q. Where does she live?
Ă. In New York City.
Q. Do you happen to know what her address is up there?

A. No. It is Edgcomb Avenue. But she is listed in the New York phone book. I know she lives on Edgcomb Avenue.

Q. Would she be listed under that name or her husband's name?
A. No; she is not married. Under her name.
Q. She is Miss Swangin?
A. Yes.

Q. Has she ever been on the staff of the committee or Mr. Powell's congressional office staff?

A. I don't know.
Q. Well, since you have been with Mr. Powell, I mean.
A. No, I don't I don't think so.

Q. Do you know whether or not she was on either the committee staff or his personal staff at the end of March in 1965?

A. Well, I wasn't-I had just arrived, so I don't know.
Mr. O'CONNOR. He didn't go to work until April 1, 1965?

The WITNESS. No; I went to work when I arrived in Washington I went to work.

By Mr. TAYLER:
Q. Around the middle of March?
A. Yes. I arrived here around the 21st or 22d.

Q. Do you have any information at all that Miss Swangin performed any duties in connection with Mr. Powell's congressional office or —

A. I don't know.
Q. Or the committee, around the 28th of March, 1965?
A. I just don't know, sir.
Q. How about a Mr. Jack Duncan, do you know that name?
A. I know the name; yes, sir.
Q. Who is he?

Ă. If it is the same Jack Duncan that I know of, he is an undertaker in New York City.

Q. And is he a friend of Mr. Powell's?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you see him down here in Washington around the 28th of March, 1965, right after you came to work for Mr. Powell?

A. I don't recall. I don't recall seeing him then.

Q. Do you know whether he has ever performed any services for Mr. Powell's congressional office or the committee?

A. This I don't know.
Mr. TAYLER. That is all I have.
Mr. Hays. Anyone else?

Mr. DICKINSON. Mr. Stone, you said that you used an alias—that is not your word, but you used a ticket under the name of Swann to take your wife to Florida. Why was this?

ne WITNESS. Well, it was purchasing just tickets in one lump sum, he just said purchase five tickets.

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Mr. DICKINSS. As I saved me to ubought your

Mr. DICKINSON. It could just as well have been Stone, couldn't it? Your wife, that is her name?

The WITNESS. Yes.
Mr. DICKINSON. Why would you put it in the name of Swann?

The WITNESS. As I say, I personally—the names that I used were the names that he directed me to use, always.

Mr. DICKINSON. So then you bought your wife's ticket under the name of Swann because Mr. Powell specifically directed you to do this?

The WITNESS. He directed me to purchase, he said get five tickets under these names and I just purchased it under the names he told me to purchase.

Mr. DICKINSON. I see. And you don't know why?
The WITNESS. No, sir.

Mr. DICKINSON. It could just as well have been two bought in your name?

The WITNESS. Yes, it could. I hadn't thought about it at the time.

Mr. DICKINSON. There must have been something to cover up. Could you think of a reason? There must be some reason to use an alias. Do you have any knowledge or reason why this might be?

The WITNESS. No.

Mr. DICKINSON. You don't think it would be so the committee would pay for it?

The WITNESS. No, because he had told me he was going to reimburse the committee and he did.

Mr. DICKINSON. I know he might have been going to, but why not put it in the right name? You don't know why?

The WITNESS. No, sir, I don't.
Mr. DICKINSON. You didn't think it was unusual at the time?
The WITNESS. No, I didn't think it was unusual.
Mr. DICKINSON. Would you think it was customary at the time?

The WITNESS. I hadn't given much thought to that possibility.
Mr. DICKINSON. That is a funny thing.

How long were you in Miami now? You say you were down there on a holiday, you were down as a guest, but you were doing some official work at the same time?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.
Mr. DICKINSON. How long did you spend in Miami?

The WITNESS. Oh, I think I spent a day, a day and a half. I stayed overnight, I think, about a day and a half.

Mr. DICKINSON. You flew down and you spent the night in Miami, or did you go on to Bimini?

The WITNESS. I think I stayed overnight. Mr. DICKINSON. Stayed overnight and the next day you went to Bimini and stayed 3 or 4 days in Bimini?

The WITNESS. That is right.

Mr. DICKINSON. And at the time you spent overnight you did your investigation?

The WITNESS. Yes.

Mr. DICKINSON. You have a report there that looks about an inch thick.

The WITNESS. That wasn't done on that one day. I had gone to Miami two or three times to make the report.

Mr. DICKINSON. So the report that you exhibited here, rather voluminous, isn't what you found out on this particular trip?

The WITNESS. Not solely, no, sir.

Mr. DICKINSON. You didn't find out much on an overnight trip, did you?

The WITNESS. I was down there 1 day and found out a whole lot in 1 day. In fact, we had a press conference on what I found out in 1 day. Mr. Powell flew down and had a press conference on it.

Mr. DICKINSON. You were there overnight and you went on to Bimini and spent 3 or 4 days and came on back directly with your wife?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir.

Mr. DICKINSON. And you didn't stay with Chairman Powell at his home?

The WITNESS. No, sir.
Mr. DICKINSON. Did you visit in his home while there?
The WITNESS. Oh, yes.
Mr. DICKINSON. Well, now, while you were there, on Bimini, did
you do anything official so far as the committee is concerned?

The WITNESS. Not in Bimini.
Mr. DICKINSON. That is what I mean.
The WITNESS. No.
Mr. DICKINSON. Were you in the home much?
The WITNESS. Not too much, no. Not too much, really.
Mr. DICKINSON. This was all-
The WITNESS. Very little. It was very little, in fact.

Mr. DICKINSON. Who was there when you were in Mr. Powell's house?

The WITNESS. In the house?
Mr. DICKINSON. In his home, yes.
Mr. Hays. Well, just a minute.

Now, since there is no Government funds involved in this, do you think we should pursue this any further?

Mr. DICKINSON. Well, I know of two employees that were in the home. I don't know what they were doing there.

Mr. Hays. All right.
The WITNESS. Yes. In the home?
Mr. DICKINSON. In the home.

The WITNESS. I don't know of any employees that were in the home.

Mr. DICKINSON. Do you know of a Sylvia Givens?
The WITNESS. Yes.
Mr. DICKINSON. Did she stay in his home?
The WITNESS. I don't think she did; no.
Mr. DICKINSON. She so testified this morning.
The WITNESS. I don't know whether she did or not. You see
Mr. DICKINSON. I am not prying—-.

The WITNESS. I understand. I want to explain why. I stayed on North Bimini. He lives on South Bimini. So who was there I don't know. Mr. Powell is a fisherman. I am not. I don't like to go fishing. So when I was down there I tried to stay away and be by myself, or be with my wife. Never went out on the boat, never went fishing.

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