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Mr. R. J. RICHARDSON,
DEAR MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you very much for your letter of January 13th and I appreciate deeply your cooperation in this matter.
Please credit the tickets for Mr. Buckley and Mr. Sullivan to the Air Travel Plan Account of the Committee on Education and Labor. Sincerely yours,
ADAM C. POWELL, Chairman. (The above-referred to document was marked "Stone Exhibit 2" for identification and was received in evidence.)
Mr. O'CONNOR. May it be entered at the appropriate place in the record, Mr. Chairman?
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. In connection with your travel individually on behalf of the committee, did you ever make any trips for which you did not submit a voucher for reimbursement of subsistence?
A. Maybe one or two, but not many. I do not know how many. There were two reasons why I might not have submitted vouchers for subsistence: One I know we discussed this and it won't sound feasible—whenever I went to New York for 1 or 2 days I have an apartment in New York which I rent-invariably there were really no expenses incurred on a trip sometimes. This was not often. Somebody would meet us at the airport. If I went with the chairman, I never spent any money for meals. I literally spent no money at all. I had a place to stay. I spent no money for meals or taxis or anything. The other reason again was the pressures of my job were such that sometimes I just forgot. I tried to remember. If you know those vouchers that were submitted, they were quite frequently submitted a month or several weeks after I had made the trip. I know I did not forget to submit vouchers for any trip that extended for more than 3 or days.
Q. Were there any trips besides to New York for which you did not submit vouchers ?
A. I might not have submitted vouchers to Miami. I went down for a couple of trips when I stayed 1 day and came right back or 2 days, stayed overnight.
Q. Do you have an apartment in Miami ?
A. No, sir. I do not think I did submit vouchers. I just do not remember now. I know 2 days I went down for specific reasons and came right back.
Q. How many trips since January 3, 1965, have you made to New York ?
A. Most of the trips I made I went with the chairman. I accompanied him. There were a few I might have gone by myself. I went on part of the investigation on the poverty program last year, last September and October. Those 4 months when we had the poverty task force in full swing, I went two or three times to New York. I
went again in the spring of this year by myself. But other than that, I usually went with the chairman when I went to New York City.
Q. Would anyone else be with you besides the chairman? A. No; sometimes Miss Corrinne Huff was along. Q. Would anybody else be along? A. No, sir. Q. On your trips to Miami, would anybody be with you? A. Again it was the same thing, either the chairman or Miss Huff. My wife went with me once. But we went to Bimini when we went together, as part of a vacation. We went beyond Miami.
Q. Could you tell us the procedure you followed when you obtained tickets for someone else on the staff or in the Congressman's office to travel on your credit card ?
A. Simply I would send a messenger over. The chairman would tell me what tickets he wanted to get or what tickets he wanted and I would merely have the messenger take my air travel card plus this transportation voucher with a memo describing the purposes of the trip. Maybe not the purpose, but the destination
Q. You would fill out this transportation request for two tickets or however many you wanted ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. It was necessary to put a name in there as to who was going to be traveling?
A. Yes, sir.
A. Put the person's name who was going to travel unless I put my name or whatever name the chairman ordered me to put in.
Q. What names would the chairman order you to put in from time to time?
A. My name, Lewis, Clark, Swann, Warren. Those are the only
Q. Would he order you specifically to put those names in when he asked to pick up tickets for him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did the persons or the parties whose names appeared on the ticket perform the travel?
A. Not very frequently; no, they didn't.
Q. Do you know of occasions when Miss Swann did not make the trip or you purchased a ticket in her name?
A. She made a couple of trips, but I do not know which ones.
Q. Approximately how many tickets would you purchase in which you substituted other names than the regular traveler?
A. I just couldn't begin to give an estimate.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Stone, would it be fair to say that if the chairman told you to buy tickets in the name of so-and-so and so-and-so, you bought them?
The WITNESS. That is right.
Mr. Hays. Would you have any knowledge necessarily of who traveled?
The WITNESS. No, sir. There is a record, you will find one time I bought about 20 or 30 tickets at one time and gave them all to him. All in 1 day I bought these.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. They were for him, but the people making the actual travel were not staff people?
A. No, that is not true.
A. When you say other, you mean someone else other than staff people were using them?
Mr. Hays. Let us ask it this way: When we are speaking of staff people, you consider Miss Huff to be staff? The WITNESS. Yes.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. In other words, when we refer to staff people, we mean employees of the Congressman's office, on his congressional payroll, the staff members of the full committee and the subcommittees?
A. That is right.
Q. Were they for use of staff members or did you deliver 20 tickets to the Congressman's office ?
A. I gave them to the chairman.
Q. What names did you purchase those tickets in? Were they all purchased in your name or did you use the names of other members of the staff ?
A. Other members of the staff.
A. I do not remember. I just remember there was one time I purchased a substantial number
Q. When did this take place?
A. I think it was last January or February, somewhere around there. It was one day in which a lot of tickets were purchased.
Q. January, February 1966 ?
A. Sometimes he did, sometimes he did not. Sometimes he would not depart for quite a while when he had them.
Q. What you are saying is you do not know whether those tickets were used or not?
A. No, I do not.
Q. I would like to know, and I know the committee would, whether the tickets were used and whether those named on the tickets were still here in Washington.
A. I do not know. I mean for the most part the chairman used the tickets.
Q. You know Chuck Stone did not go on those trips.
Q. We have made an analysis of the trips that were taken by you or tickets that were purchased by you for which you claimed no reimbursement. There are certain tickets, in cross-checking them with others that have been acquired, in which the name of Swann appears quite frequently.
Q. It was customary for her to travel under an assumed name, is that correct?
A. That is right.
Q. Who would decide what name she was going to travel under on a particular trip? A. The chairman. Q. Did she also travel under the name of Lewis? A. Yes, sir. Q. Quite frequently? A. Whatever"quite frequently” means.
Q. Well, in your own words.
I assume. He wanted to travel anonymously. You will remember when he went to Europe this year in June his name wasn't even carried on the manifest of United States Lines.
Q. Did he have an alias at that time?
Q. Anyhow, it was the practice down there to purchase tickets in your name and someone's name knowing there was going to be travel by Powell and Huff?
A. I wouldn't say “knowing.” Sometimes we did and sometimes we didn't.
Q. Sometimes you did and sometimes you didn't?
Q. Were there others for whom tickets were purchased besides Miss Huff and the Congressman?
A. Not that I know of.
Q. In obtaining these tickets, I assume you always used your "Q" card !
A. That is right.
Q. Are we safe in saying that the travel you did personally was purchased on your personal card as distinguished from the “Q” card?
A. Yes, but there might be some that would show up on the other card. I tried in my own mind to make that distinction.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Stone, do you have any kind of diary or record of when you traveled!
The WITNESS. I thought I did, but I don't. I don't have any record at all.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. In other words, the diary was brought to the office the other day when you
in and it was of no help to you? A. There was nothing in there.
Q. Let's examine a particular case. The tickets you purchased August 5, 1966. You purchased three round-trip tickets, Washington to New York to Miami, one in the name of Clark, one in the name of Swann, and one in the name of Givens. Do you recall that?
A. How did it go, from Washington to New York?
Q. At the same time you purchased two additional tickets, one in the name of Stone and one in the name of Swann, Washington to Miami ?