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MONDAY, DECEMBER 19, 1966

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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON HOUSE ADMINISTRATION,
SPECIAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON CONTRACTS,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 10:30 a.m., in room 2255 Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Wayne L. Hays (chairman) presiding.

Members present: Messrs. Hays, Jones, Nedzi, Lipscomb, Devine, and Dickinson.

Also present: Daniel L. O'Connor, associate counsel; C. William Tayler, associate counsel; and Julian Langston, chief clerk.

Mr. Hays. Gentlemen, I will read a statement. You will be furnished with a copy. There will be two or three explanations of sections which will be off the cuff, but otherwise you will have a copy of this statement.

If there are witnesses out in the hall who want to hear the opening statement, they may come in, Mr. Langston.

Mr. LYONS (member of the press). Will you read this straight through so we will know what is off the cuff and what is text?

Mr. Hays. I will tell you.

Will you hand copies of the text now. so that the members of the press can make notes? There is no reason they should not have the opening statement.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Special Subcommittee on Contracts of the Committee on House Administration is today conducting hearings into certain alleged irregularities which have been referred to it for investigation by the Committee on House Administration. The irregularities which we inquire into today and which have been referred to us for investigation are:

1. That the name of Y. Marjorie Flores appears to be one of the clerks employed by Member Adam C. Powell although said clerk is reported to perform no official duties for which compensation from appropriated funds is paid and that the services, if any, rendered by said clerk are not performed in the District of Columbia or in the Member's State or district as required by Public Law 89–90, 89th Congress.

2. That during the 89th Congress the Committee on Education and Labor has reported as employed on its rolls a total of 149 clerks. This large number of employed personnel has been suggested to this committee to be inconsistent and incompatible with the duties and responsibilities assigned to the Committee on Education and Labor.

3. That expenditure from contingent funds for travel by the Committee on Education and Labor during the 89th Congress totaled $73,000 through September 30, 1966, whereas the average expenditure for travel by other committees of the House during this same period was less than $15,000.

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4. That an inordinate amount of travel by clerks of the Committee on Education and Labor is conducted on weekends between Washington, D.C., and Miami, Fla.; Washington, D.C., and New York, N.Y., allegedly on official business of the committee but leaving unexplained the nature, objective, or purpose of said travel.

5. That travel vouchers have been submitted by clerks of the Committee on Education and Labor certifying to their presence at a particular location on a specified date when, in fact, it appears that said clerks were physically present at other locations.

6. That expenditures from the contingent fund have been made upon vouchers submitted to cover the cost of telegraphic messages not properly chargeable to said fund.

This Special Subcommittee on Contracts is acting pursuant to a resolution which reads as follows:

Whereas, the Committee on House Administration is a Standing Committee of the House of Representatives established pursuant to Rule X, paragraph 1(i) of the Rules of the House of Representatives, and

Whereas, the Committee on House Administration is charged by Rule XI, paragraph 9 of the Rules of the House of Representatives with the following:

Auditing and settling of all accounts which may be charged to the contingent fund.

Employment of persons by the House, including clerks for Members and Committees, and reporters of debates.

Expenditure of contingent fund of the House.
Measures relating to accounts of the House generally.

Measures relating to the travel of Members of the House; and Whereas, there has been brought to the attention of the Committee on House Administration certain alleged irregularities in expenditures from the contingent fund of the House and in the employment of clerks for Members and Committees—

Let me stop right there and say that that language works for Members and committees. It is the language of the rule and should not be interpreted in any other way. More than one may turn up, but it means nothing. It is taken exactly from the language of the rules, so please do not read anything into it

And whereas the Committee on House Administration on October 5, 1966, acting upon the information which it had received of the aforementioned alleged irregularities, authorized the Special Subcommittee on Contracts, on behalf of the Committee, to conduct an investigation and hold hearings concerning said alleged irregularities, and

Whereas the Chairman of the Committee on House Administration has, for the purpose of this investigation, directed that the Special Subcommittee on Contracts be composed of Representative Wayne L. Hays of Ohio, Chairman, and Representatives Joe D. Waggonner, Jr., of Louisiana, Paul C. Jones of Missouri, Lucien X. Nedzi of Michigan, William L. Dickinson of Alabama, and Samuel L. Devine of Ohio; ex-officio Chairman, Omar Burleson of Texas, and Glenard P. Lipscomb of California, ranking Minority Member of the House Administration Committee; now therefore

Be it resolved, that the Special Subcommittee on Contracts undertake an investigation of the alleged irregularities in expenditures from the contingent fund and of the employment of clerks for Members and Committees for the purpose of aiding Congress in any necessary remedial legislation, and

Be it further resolved, that any hearings conducted by said Special Subcominittee be held in either executive session or open to the public, and

Be it further resolved, that this Special Subcommittee file with the Standing Committee on or before January 9, 1967 a report of the results of its investigation.

A copy of this opening statement and a copy of paragraph 26, Rule XI of the Rules of the House of Representatives has been furnished to each witness appearing at this hearing.

Will you hand out a list of the people subpenaed, please?

On this list of witnesses you will notice the name of Charles W. Radcliffe has been X’d out.

The apparent discrepancy in travel and claim for subsistence has been cleared up, and there was no reason to have Mr. Radcliffe testify.

Mr. Michael Schwartz has given a deposition and has been excused to go on vacation with his father and mother, who is ill.

That is all.

The committee will now, according to previous resolution, go into executive session to hear the first witness.

(A discussion was held off the record.) Mr. Hays. Miss Givens, your appearance before this committee will be in executive session unless you request that it be in public session. Do you understand what that is—privately, like now. Unless you tell us you want these reporters in, we will not let them

Miss GIVENS. No, sir.

Mr. Hays. If your appearance is in executive session, the public and press will not be admitted to the hearing room pursuant to paragraph 26, House of Representatives rule XI. Your testimony may not be released or used in a public session without the consent of the committee, nor will you be permitted to purchase a copy of the transcript of your testimony unless authorized by the committee.

As I have already told you, if your appearance is in public session, the public and reporters would be admitted, but television and newspaper photographers will be excluded.

You have already indicated you wish to appear in executive session.
Miss GIVENS. Yes.
Mr. Hays. You have no counsel ?
Miss GIVENS. No, sir.

Mr. Hays. Your constitutional rights will be recognized before this committee and properly made claim of privilege against self-incrimination under the fifth amendment will be recognized.

If you feel an answer might tend to incriminate you, you may say so. If you do, the committee will consider the claim and pass upon its validity.

Did you get a copy with the subpena of paragraph 26, rule XI of the House of Representatives, Miss Givens ? Miss GIVENS. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hays. You understand that if you wanted counsel, you could have one?

Miss GIVENS. That is right.
Mr. Hays. But you prefer not to.
Will you stand and raise your right hand.

SYLVIA J. GIVENS having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: Mr. Hays. Proceed, Mr. O'Connor.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. If you keep your voice up in answering so that all the members of the committee can hear you

A. All right, sir.
Q. Would you state your name and address, please?

A. My name is Sylvia J. Givens. I live at 350 50th Street SE., apartment 12.

Q. At one time were you employed by Representative Powell for one of the committees?

A. Yes, sir; I was.
Q. Can you tell us when that was?
A. That was from August 1, I think, until September 6.
Q. 1966 ?
A. That is correct.

Q. Can you tell us the circumstances as to how you came to be employed by the committee?

A. Well, I have a neighbor who lives two doors down the street from my mother. That is where I was living at the time.

She had spoken to Congressman Powell one day in the hall, and he had asked her if she knew of anyone that could do domestic and clerical work for him. She suggested that I go and talk to him. I went to see him, and he hired me.

Q. Who interviewed you at the time you went to see him?
A. Miss Huff and then the Congressman.
Q. Where did that interview take place?
A. In his office, room 2161 of the Rayburn Building.

Q. What were you told, in connection with your employment, were your duties?

A. I was told that I would work back and forth between his office and his home and that this was to be a permanent job.

Q. You were employed on August 1, 1966 ?
A. That is correct.
Q. Do you remember what your title of your position was?
A. I think I was a clerk 3.

Q. Do you know whether you were on the full committee staff or subcommittee staff ?

A. I think it was the full committee, the Education and Labor. Mr. O'CONNOR. The records of the committee indicate that Miss Givens was employed on August 1, 1966, as an assistant clerk for the full committee.

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. Were your services terminated at any particular time?

A. Yes, they were. This was on September 6. I think that was the date.

Q. September 6, 1966, is what the payroll records indicate as the date of termination.

A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who interviewed you first concerning your employment ?
A. Miss Huff.
Q. Did that interview take place in Washington, D.C.?
A. Yes, sir; it did.
Q. What did Miss Huff tell you about your duties?

A. She told me that the Congressman wanted someone who could do domestic work when he traveled and also someone who could do clerical work when he was here.

Q. When you reported for work, to whom did you report?

A. I went to the Congressman's office, and I was supposed to see Miss Huff. She was not there, so I spoke with Terry Calabrese.

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