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(a) All OEP responsibilities having to do with preparedness for, and relief of civil emergencies and disasters would be transferred to the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This would provide greater field capability for coordination of assistance provided by Federal agencies with that furnished by states and local communities and would further the objective of creating a broad new Department of Community Development.

(b) OEP's responsibilities for measures to insure continuity of civil government operations in the event of major military attack would be reassigned to the General Services Administration (GSA), as would responsibility for management of national security stockpile objectives and policy. Coordination of these responsibilities would be provided by the National Security Council and the Council on Economic Policy respectively.

(c) Investigations of imports which might impair national security (Sec. 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962) will be reassigned to the Treasury Department. These investigations result in reports making recommendations to the President for his action.

(d) The Oil Policy Committee will continue to function as it does now, except that the Deputy Secretary of the Treasury will be designated to replace the Director, OEP, as committee chairman. The Oil Policy Committee will function under the general supervision of the Assistant to the President (Dr. Shultz) concerned with economic affairs.

Those disaster relief authorities which have been reserved to the President in the past, such as the authority to declare major disasters, would continue to be exercised by him under these arrangements. Certain emergency situations calling for rapid government response will be coordinated by the Executive Office of the President under the supervision of the Assistant to the President in charge of executive management.

The background and current resources of the affected agencies are varied and diverse. The Office of Emergency Preparedness is the successor to several preceding organizations dating from 1947, and it has an estimated FY 73 budget in excess of $6.3 million and permanent employment of 323 persons. The Office of Science and Technology was established in 1962, also the successor to related previous organizations, and its estimated FY 73 budget is over $2 million and permanent employment is 50 persons. The National Aeronautics and Space Council was created in 1958, and has an estimated FY 73 budget of $500 thousand, with a permanent employment of 16 persons.

Reorganization plans of this kind are provided for under special reorganization authority. The plan will be considered for 60 days in both Houses of Congress, and will become legally effective after 60 days, unless either House formally disapproves. Actual change of agency responsibility will take place July 1, 1973, to allow time for an effective transition to be planned and executed after the period of congressional review.



Mr. ZIEGLER. We have several announcements to make to you today regarding the plans of the President and the announced intention of the President to reduce substantially the Executive Office of the President, including the White House staff.

John Ehrlichman recently, when he introduced the Reorganization Plans which the President intends to put into effect, pointed out that the Executive Office of the President would be reduced to something below 2,000.

The announcement that we are making today is the first step to put this reduction into effect.

Before presenting Roy Ash, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, to you to discuss this first step, I would like to make one or two points, points that have perhaps not been presented clearly enough in the past and I would like to make at the outset of today's briefing.

There has been considerable discussion about reports that the Executive Office of the President has increased substantially over the last four years and, therefore, the reductions that we are talking about relate to merely reducing the increase that has occurred, some say, over the last four years. That is simply incorrect.

For example, if you take the Executive Office of the President in June of 1968, the total figure of personnel in the Executive Office of the President totalled about 4,700. As of June of 1972, the total figure of the Executive Office of the President totaled 4,250. It is that figure that we are reducing or cutting in half by the actions that we intend to take and which Roy Ash will be discussing with you. So, it is incorrect to say that over the last four years the Executive Office of the President has increased.

I think it is important that we put that into perspective. We are not decreasing an increase that has been put into effect by this Administration. We are further decreasing the amount of people who have been allocated to the Executive Office of the President since 1968, before this Administration came into office.

Also today, we are giving you the White House staff list. Most of you who study the budget carefully, as I know most in this room do, know that the White House staff figures that are listed in the budget include career personnel and non-career personnel. We are reducing substantially, at the President's instruction, the number of non-career personnel in the White House.

As you recall in 1971, I believe it was August of 1971, the President put into effect a policy which clearly stated in the budget all personnel who are allocated to the White House staff rolls. Prior to that, there was a detailing procedure that was followed by past Administrations that distorted the true amount of people who worked on the White House staff, but this was all outlined and explained in the 1971 budget when the President put the White House staff numbers on a full disclosure basis, which had not been the case historically in budget presentations in previous Administrations.

Here, again, when we refer to reductions in the White House staff, we are talking about reductions below the figures that were in effect when the President took office.

For example, as explained in the 1971 budget, on page 51 of the 1971 budget, in 1970 there were 576 positions allocated for the White House staff in the budget. In 1971, that figure was reduced to 548.

In 1972, that figure was reduced to 540.

As a result of the President's order to have a five percent cutback across the board in government, in 1973, those authorized positions were further reduced to 510.

So what we are talking about in the announcement that we will be making today and this will be reflected in the staff list given to you, is a further reduction in the number of personnel who work on the White House staff. We are talking about a reduction from the existing authority of 510 to an authority of 480 in the fiscal 1974 budget, so a further trend downward, and again I would like to say-and I have seen a number of stories which are counter to the factthat the reductions in the Executive Office itself, which will be cut in half, are further reductions of a figure that was in place before we came into office.

The some 4,700 down to below 2,000, the 4,700 being in existence in 1968, the 2,000 which will be in existence when this Reorganization Plan is put into effect. The same thing applies to the White House staff. We will be giving you a White House staff list which shows the non-career personnel as of November. That totals 147 non-career personnel. That does not include the support personnel, those who run the mail room, the clerical personnel, the other support personnel who work in the White House and have traditionally filled the role of support to the White House staff.

The non-career professional White House staff which now totals 147 is already reduced, as you will see on the list we are giving you, by 32 percent. At the President's instruction, the figure of 147 which was the total of non-career professionals who worked in the White House in November, will be reduced by June by about 40 percent.

So, to conclude, before Roy Ash steps up to the podium, the President has ordered a reduction of 50 percent in the Executive Office of the President. If you want to address yourselves specifically to the non-career professional staff of the White House, he is putting into effect a reduction of some 40 percent.

Just to conclude, these are not reductions of an increase that occurred over the last four years. These are reductions of figures that were higher, as a matter of fact, in 1968 when we took office.

As I said, the Executive Office totalled some 4,700 and the White House staff totalled some 576 in 1970.

Q. How many of those are actually leaving the government and how many are being transferred to other agencies?

Mr. ZIEGLER. In terms of the White House staff itself, the list that we will give to you indicates the announced intentions of many of those who are leaving the White House. Some are going to other Departments, some are going to private life.

But obviously, we are referring to a reduction in the White House staff itself, the President's personal staff, which, as I said, would be close to 40 percent, maybe somewhat over that, but as of today, it is a reduction of 32 percent.

As Mr. Ash, I am sure, will point out to you when he discusses this matter with you and as John Ehrlichman pointed out to you, the objective is to move out into the Administration more of the day-to-day operations, to move out into the Departments more of the day-to-day operations and to have those who are involved in the White House and in the Executive Office of the President involved, to a heavier degree, in the overall policy formation.

But the reason I took the time this morning to go into this matter is I keep seeing stories that appear that during the Nixon Administration, or during President Nixon's Administration, that the White House staff has been increased substantially or the Executive Office of the President has been doubled. That is incorrect.

All one has to do to find out that is incorrect is to look into the federal budgets going back to 1968 and 1970 and you will find the figures I just gave you.

For example, one of the weekly news magazines this week stated when they were addressing themselves to the size of the Executive Office of the President, they made the statement that the Executive Office has doubled in the last four years. That is incorrect.

What we are doing is decreasing the Executive Office of the President by 50 percent.

Q. What about the career personnel in the White House, what you refer to as the support personnel?

Mr. ZIEGLER. The clerical and career support personnel staff has remained pretty steady over the last ten years, even though the responsibilities and the work that has had to be performed by the clerical and career support staff has increased.

For example, the mail room volume itself has increased over the last, I would say, five or six years from a level of less than 400,000 per year to something around two million.

So the career and clerical personnel have remained fairly steady. It has remained in the area of 300, varying, of course, in terms of the period that we are in.

Q. Ron, I thought these figures had come from the White House. Do you mean to tell me you have not increased the staff of the White House career support anywhere at all since Mr. Nixon has been here?

Mr. ZIEGLER. That is correct. We have reduced it. You see, Sarah, one of the things many people forget, if you look in the 1968 and 1969 budgets, you will see figures listed of 250 members of the White House staff or you will find figures before that around 250, 260 members of the White House staff.

The fact of the matter is, however, at that time there were some, I think, 300 people detailed in non-career professional positions, detailed to the White House. They were paid by the Department of Transportation or the Department of Interior or some other Department, but they were serving on the President's personal staff, the non-career professional staff, simply being paid by another Department.

In 1971, the President said—and there was an extensive briefing held on this-we will not do that anymore; there will be no detailing and we will put the budget on a full disclosure basis; and on page 51 of the 1971 budget, all of this is explained—how many people previously had been detailed, and so on. Q. You did do it in a few instances at least, didn't you?

Mr. ZIEGLER. Detailed?

Q. Yes.

Mr. ZIEGLER. There are very few compared to the 300 or so that existed before. There are very few detailees now on the White House staff. That depends on the circumstances that exist, as incidentally is the case where various people are detailed from departments to work on special commission projects and so forth, but we do have a policy that if someone is detailed to a project in the White House for longer than six months, then he would automatically become on the White House payroll, or the Department he is detailed from would be reimbursed.

So, there is very little detailing taking place. I would say it is maybe a total of ten out of the White House list. This is done many times because individuals will take on assignments here in the White House who are members of the Foreign Service, for example, and because of their career compensation and career benefits, request to remain on the Foreign Service rolls, but the detailing is virtually eliminated and we do not hestitate discussing it.

I think with that, Roy can answer other questions.

Q. Will this staff list coming up identify the detailees?
Mr. ZIEGLER. I don't think it indicates the detailees, John.

Q. A second question. Is the State Department or Defense or CIA, whomever, reimbursed for those members of the NSC who are in fact detailed from those Departments and agencies?

Mr. ZIEGLER. I believe the NSC staff has a budget which is separate from the White House staff. The National Security Council is established by statute and has a separate operating budget.

Q. Do you mean the NSC staff has been excluded from all you have been saying?

Mr. ZIEGLER. This is where the differences come in.

Roy, step up and help me explain it, if you would.

The NSC staff is included in the Executive Office of the President, which totals 4,250 as of June of 1972. That includes the many Departments or agencies that fall under the Office of the Executive Office of the President. What I am addressing myself to is that, but also the White House staff as such.

Q. You are addressing yourself to what in the budget is called the White House office?

Mr. ZIEGLER. The budget is broken down as the Executive Office of the President. In the Executive Office of the President it lists the total allocations for the White House staff.

Q. But there is in the budget, year after year, under the Executive Office of the President the master heading White House Office, and the personnel figures under that heading seem to coincide with the ones you are using.

Mr. ZIEGLER. Yes, they do.

Q. In your discussion, are you excluding the NSC staff from what you call the White House staff of the White House budget list.

Mr. ZIEGLER. It is included in the Executive Office part of the budget.

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Q. Is it included in your reference to the "White House staff.”

Mr. ZIEGLER. No. When I am referring to the 510 White House staff, when 1 am referring to the 480, when I am referring to the 147 that has been reduced by 32 percent up to this point, that does not include the NSC or it does not include the Special Trade Representative Office. It does not include the National Security Council. It does not include the Council on International Economic Policy.

Those offices that fall under the Executive Office of the President and accrue to 4,150, it is that total of 4,250 that we are reducing to below 2,000.

It is the 510 figure, the White House staff itself, that we are reducing the non-career professional portion by 32 percent.

Q. Will we have a general briefing today, Ron?


Mr. ASH. With all of that information Ron gave you, one of those numbers is the first public revelation of the 1974 budget data which Ron embargoed until next Monday. So you will have to figure out what number it is that he has given you of a preview of what is to come. They can't find which one it was anyway.

Q. Four hundred and 80.

Mr. Ash. You are right. You found it.

As we all know, the President has strongly expressed his commitment to streamline the functions of government. Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1973, which is being submitted to the Congress today, appropriately deals first with the President's own office. It moves in the direction both of staff reduction and of decentralization out of the White House.

Further, it moves in the direction of limiting the realm of the President's office to policy making, to overall policy direction, looking to the Departments and to the agencies to be fully responsible for the operations of their Departments. For the effective functioning of the President's office is determined as much by what is kept out of it as what is brought into it. It must preserve its special perspective, its special strength to determine policy, to assign responsibilities, to coordinate interagency activities and to oversee all agency operations. These important functions must be undiluted by directly operating individual programs or by unbalanced advocacy of one group of programs over another. Throughout the Reorganization Plan that is being submitted today and subsequent steps to be taken by Executive Order and budgetary actions, we will be focusing our efforts on these essential functions and, at the same time, be reducing the number of people in the Executive Office of the President from over 4,000 to fewer than 2,000.

As Ron indicated, on a comparable basis there were more than 4,700 positions in the Executive Office of the President at the beginning of the President's term in 1969. The President's statement accompanying the Reorganization Plan speaks for itself as to the changes being proposed and as to the response for them.

I would be pleased to answer any questions you would have.

Q. Mr. Ash, is the main way you are going to get down from 4,000 to 2,000 by eliminating the Office of Economic Opportunity?

Mr. ASH. Certainly that is the largest single office in the Executive Office of the President. I indicated the total of the actions to be taken would be by a combination of means.

Today we will be talking particularly about Reorganization Plan No. 1 and other actions will be accomplished through the budget and those will be discussed more fully as the budget itself is made public and that is the first of next week.

Q. Can you tell us how much of the 2,000 is in the Office of Economic Opportunity?

Mr. AsH. Yes. That number is somewhat less than half of the total that is in the Executive Office of the President.

Q. That is 2,000?

Mr. AsH. Somewhat less than 2,000.

Q. And you are dropping how many people?

Mr. ASH. And in total there will be reduced considerably more than 2,000. Q. But more than 2,500?

Mr. ASH. The number will be around 2,500-something like that.

Q. Twenty-five hundred will cover it?

Mr. ASH. Something less than 2,000. There will be a number of other substantial reductions over and above the ones we are dealing with today through the Reorganization Plan which, incidentally, includes 389 itself being dealt with

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