ment in the Spanish supply system. Are they now able to identify the

spare parts as against spare-parts requirements ? General KISSNER. I certainly think so.

General DAHLEN. That is one of constant improvement and training. We just have completed a mobile supply team course of instruction which came in from USAREUR in Germany for the Army and it proved of excellent benefit. It is just one of our missions here in aid and assistance. That is constantly improving.

Mr. FASCELL. Inventory supply control and so on?

General KISSNER. That is right; yes, sir. The Air Force has set up a very good stock-record system patterned after ours and they can put their finger on it. The Spanish Navy has set up a stock-record card system and there is progress being made all the time.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Is the end-use inspection operation such as would reveal deadlined equipment because of the lack of spare parts?

General DAHLEN. Yes, sir; on our visit. If we do, we ask why and questions like that.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Have you noticed any particular problems in that area?

General Daulen. Not recently; no, sir, There are a few of what we call AOCP of some F-86's. The spare parts for those are not in the country and we are getting them.

Mr. FASCELL. That is a routine supply problem?
General DAHLEN. Yes, sir.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. What is their situation with respect to supply of POL for the purpose of operating equipment !

General KISSNER. The Spanish Air Force works with its own Government resources and so far has obtained all its own fuel.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Is that supply of POL sufficient to provide adequate utilization of equipment?

General KISSNER. Not quite, and we are studying the problem with them to see what we can do to help. It is directly related, of course, to supply and demand and resources for storage. I know they are on top of that problem.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Would you be able to give the committee some idea as to the degree of utilization of the mechanical equipment and the POL required ?

General KISSNER. The degree of utilization ?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes.
General Kissner. I did not quite follow you.

Mr. FASCELL. In other words, the question is if you have any problem with respect to the furnishing of fuel, how much equipment is made

General KISSNER. I see, compared to an American unit which squadron might use, let us say, 20,000 barrels a month or in a given period of time.

The Spaniards are doing about half of that. If the fuel situation ats bet

will catch up.

In other words, under the arrangement that exists se to furnish their own fuel for their operation and if

problem then it would be a question of whether or not ates is going to get into the thing some way?

ISSNER. Right. We are working on this on the here we have joint forces they can

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fill stands, draw gasoline, and that would be reimbursable at the end
of a certain period of time. I think we can get that authority from
home.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. General, do not these matters that you have
been discussing become important in the programing of aid? That is,
the ability of a country to absorb, maintain, and utilize equipment.

General KISSNER. We regularly make reports of our opinions on those matters all through channels which is one of our jobs locally here. Our superiors review and act accordingly.

Mr. FASCELL. We are not programing excessively beyond the ability
to furnish fuel, for example!

General KissNER. No, sir: I do not feel we are.
Mr. FASCELL. Even though we might have some end items awaiting,
which might be idle, let us say, for a while?

General KISSNER. For relatively short periods of time.

Mr. FASCELL. It is not for such a long period of time so that the question of obsolescence arises or anything like that?

General KISSNER. No, sir. This program is not of the scope that
it could not be handled properly by a nation of this size.

Mr. FASCELL. It goes into the question of the effectiveness and the
efficiency at a given point?

General KISSNER. They are in the problem of deploying units and
equipment, you see, to the locations that are most desirable.

Mr. FASCELL. Is the equipment earmarked in the United States
for delivery or is it just delivered when called for?

General KissNER. We are informed of schedules of deliveries when
aircraft or certain equipment can come from factories. We are told
about the port time. We can relate that with the status of training
of people who handle it. We can influence it to be moved back some

Mr. FASCELL. And availability to use it, in other words?
General KISSNER. That is right.
Mr. FASCELL. If you cannot use it immediately you have not only
the responsibility, but you do recommend —

General Kissner. We would if we saw it that way. There is a
long lead time.

Mr. FASCELL. You are not having any substantial problem then
trith delivery and accessibililty to use it?

General KISSNER. Not at this point in this program.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. General, how are the requirements of the Span-
ish computed ?

I presume that your programing is actually based on requirements,
as indicated by United States tables of organization and equipment

General KISSNER. Yes; we have, in cooperation with the Spanish
authorities, worked out the deficiencies that when met will create an
increased capacity to defend for certain forces and within certain
money limits. We make our recommendations on that.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. That is in accord with United States T/O&E?
General DAHLEN. They are used as a guide.
General KISSNER. We do not provide a fighter squadron or Span-
ish Division with everything in our T/O&E.

Mr. FASCELL. It is a modified requirements list?
General KISSNER. That is right.

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ment in the Spanish supply system. Are they now able to identify the spare parts as against spare parts requirements ?

General KISSNER. I certainly think so.

General DAHLEN. That is one of constant improvement and training. We just have completed a mobile supply team course of instruction which came in from USAREUR in Germany for the Army and it proved of excellent benefit. It is just one of our missions here in aid and assistance. That is constantly improving.

Mr. Fascell. Inventory supply control and so on?

General Kissner. That is right; yes, sir. The Air Force has set up a very good stock-record system patterned after ours and they can put their finger on it. The Spanish Navy has set up a stock-record card system and there is progress being made all the time.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Is the end-use inspection operation such as would reveal deadlined equipment because of the lack of spare parts?

General DAHLEN. Yes, sir; on our visit. If we do, we ask why and questions like that.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Have you noticed any particular problems in that area ?

General Dahlen. Not recently; no, sir. There are a few of what we call AOCP of some F-86's. The spare parts for those are not in the country and we are getting them.

Mr. FASCELL. That is a routine supply problem?
General DAHLEN. Yes, sir.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. What is their situation with respect to supply of POL for the purpose of operating equipment?

General KISSNER. The Spanish Air Force works with its own Government resources and so far has obtained all its own fuel.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Is that supply of POL sufficient to provide adequate utilization of equipment !

General KISSNER. Not quite, and we are studying the problem with them to see what we can do to help. It is directly related, of course, to supply and demand and resources for storage. I know they are on top of that problem.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. Would you be able to give the committee some idea as to the degree of utilization of the mechanical equipment and the POL required?

General KISSNER. The degree of utilization?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes.
General KISSNER. I did not quite follow you.

Mr. FASCELL. In other words, the question is if you have any problem with respect to the furnishing of fuel, how much equipment is made

General KISSNER. I see, compared to an American unit which squadron might use, let us say, 20,000 barrels a month or in a given period of time. The Spaniards are doing about half of that. If the fuel situation

will catch up.

In other words, under the arrangement that exists be to furnish their own fuel for their operation and if

problem then it would be a question of whether or not ates is going to get into the thing some way!

188NER. Right. We are working on this withint on the there we have joint forces they can con

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fill stands, draw gasoline, and that would be reimbursable at the end
of a certain period of time. I think we can get that authority from
home.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. General, do not these matters that you have
been discussing become important in the programing of aid? That is,
the ability of a country to absorb, maintain, and utilize equipment.

General KISSNER. We regularly make reports of our opinions on those matters all through channels which is one of our jobs locally here. Our superiors review and act accordingly.

Mr. FASCELL. We are not programing excessively beyond the ability
to furnish fuel, for example!

General KISSNER. No, sir: I do not feel we are.
Mr. FASCELL. Even though we might have some end items awaiting,
which might be idle, let us say, for a while?

General KISSNER. For relatively short periods of time.

Mr. FASCELL. It is not for such a long period of time so that the question of obsolescence arises or anything like that?

General KISSNER. No, sir. This program is not of the scope that
it could not be handled properly by a nation of this size.

Mr. FASCELL. It goes into the question of the effectiveness and the
efficiency at a given point?

General KISSNER. They are in the problem of deploying units and
equipment, you see, to the locations that are most desirable.

Mr. FASCELL. Is the equipment earmarked in the United States for delivery or is it just delivered when called for?

General KISSNER. We are informed of schedules of deliveries when
aircraft or certain equipment can come from factories. We are told
about the port time. We can relate that with the status of training
of people who handle it. We can influence it to be moved back some-
what.

Mr. FASCELL. And availability to use it, in other words?
General KISSNER. That is right.

Mr. FASCELL. If you cannot use it immediately you have not only
the responsibility, but you do recommend

General KISSNER. We would if we saw it that way. There is a
long lead time.

Mr. FASCELL. You are not having any substantial problem then
with delivery and accessibililty to use it?

General KISSNER. Not at this point in this program.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. General, how are the requirements of the Span-
ish computed?

I presume that your programing is actually based on requirements,
as indicated by United States tables of organization and equipment?

General KISSNER. Yes; we have, in cooperation with the Spanish
authorities, worked out the deficiencies that when met will create an
increased capacity to defend for certain forces and within certain
money limits. We make our recommendations on that.

Mr. MONTGOMERY. That is in accord with United States T/O&E?
General DAHLEN. They are used as a guide.
General KISSNER. We do not provide a fighter squadron or Span-
ish Division with everything in our T/O&E.

Mr. FASCELL. It is a modified requirements list?
General KISSNER. That is right.

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