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Dr. TAYLOR. Yes, but they also have a deep sense of their responsibility, and we find when we talk with them that they are aware of their responsibilities as citizens, when that is brought very forcibly to them, and you explain what the consequences might be, and they respond very quickly.

Mr. RABAUT. I selected these two points in your testimony to talk about because I feel they are very significant. So, when we have more strikes but have less periods of strikes, that speaks at least to some extent of cooperation. You have a shorter period of a strike, and the strike period has been greatly reduced from 1942 to 1944.

Dr. TAYLOR. Yes.


Mr. RABAUT. I would like to ask one other question. In your . opinion, what is the reason why the press of the country publicizes small strikes, insofar as the headlines are concerned, even as it does over strikes of greater proportions? I think it is a little misleading to the general public to accentuate something not at all in proportion to something else that takes place. What is the reason for that? Dr. TAYLoR. Those of us who sit and watch these labor disputes see them flow by at a very rapid rate, with 150 dispute cases alone a week, and we are very much impressed by the fact that 16,000 labor disputes have been settled by the War Labor Board since October 2, 1942. The Board has had compliance with its decisions in all but 30 of these cases. In 30 cases we have had difficulties; but in 15,970 cases, even though the parties might not have agreed with the decision, and very frei. they do not, they nevertheless have said “We will accept the ecision voluntarily as our responsibility.” I suppose it is not news that in 15,970 cases that have come to us the people have said: “We will go ahead with this solution, even though we do not like the decision of the Board.” Mr. RABAUT. It is not news to be good, but it is news to be naughty. Dr. TAYLoR. I think the good news in the picture gives you a great sense of respect for labor and industry in this country.


Mr. LUDLow. We hear a great deal about unauthorized strikes. Speaking generally about unauthorized strikes and authorized strikes, what is the percentage of unauthorized strikes and the percentage of authorized strikes? Dr. TAYLOR. When I said “authorized strikes” I said authorized by the national union. I do not know of any authorized strikes, with one or two possible exceptions. Many strikes involve a relatively small number of men. They will to. “We are going to walk out.” It is at that point that we, as the ar Labor Board, call in the national officers and say to them: “You have some recalcitrants and it is your responsibility to see that your men meet their responsibility, and see that they are back at the factory”; but perhaps some local union will have a meeting and they will say: “All right, but we will not go in tomorrow.” In a sense that might be considered as being authorized by a local union.

Mr. LUDLow. I think you said you knew of one strike that had been authorized by a national union.

Dr. TAYLoR. Yes.

Mr. LUDLow. All the rest, insofar as authorization by a national union is concerned, would properly be unauthorized strikes?

Dr. TAYLoR. Yes; they would be.


Mr. TABER. Will you tell me how many employees you had on the 1st day of July 1944? I am going to ask you, as you give me that information, to break it down between Washington and the field. Mr. KHEEL. This table shows approximately 2,387. We will put more precise figures into the record. We do not have them immediately available. We can supply them. Mr. TABER. Do you have a month-by-month break-down of that picture? Mr. KHEEL. We will be able to supply that. Mr. TABER. How does it stand at the moment? Mr. KHEEL. At the present time we have 2,523. Mr. TABER. In other words, you have increased at least 200? Mr. KHEEL. Yes, sir. Most of that is the result of the transfer of the C. A. S. functions to the Board. Mr. TABER. What is that? Mr. KHEEL. The Central Administrative Service. Mr. TABER. You mean, bookkeeping, and that kind of work? Mr. KHEEL. Yes; and all other administrative services such as pay-roll preparation, audit, and so forth, for the national, as well as the 12 regional war labor boards. It was performed by the o A. S. previously and was transferred to us about 6 months ago. Mr. TABER. I would like to have you put into the record a table showing on the 1st day of each month the number of employees over all, between Washington and the field, down through the 1st of April 1945, beginning the 1st day of July 1944; and then I would like to have you put in another column the amount of your monthly over-all expenditures, month by month. Mr. KHEEL. For personnel or for all items? Mr. TABER. The whole picture. (Information requested is as follows:)

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Personal services summary including Alaska and Hawaii

Employment Personnel o D t tota epart- mental Field Total Month ending— July 1944 -- 2,401 557 1,830 2,387 553 1,822 2, 375 537 1,826 2,363 573 1,803 2, 376 589 1,865 2,454 576 1,860 2, 436. January 1945--------------------------------------- 589 1, 866 2,455 February------------------------------------------|----------- 600 1,870 2,470 March-------------------------------------------------------- 610 1,913 2,523

NotE.-Monthly obligations from July 1, 1944, to Apr. 1, 1945 will be found elsehwere.



Mr. TABER. Is there a tremendously big item for travel? How much is involved in this esitmate for travel, all together? Mr. KHEEL. The over-all travel cost is $800,000, a decrease of $200,000 from last year's appropriation. We have that broken down by departments, beginning on e 85 of our estimates. Mr. TABER. This group in to. e Stabilization Section does not have to do any traveling to speak of, does it? Mr. KHEEL. The travel items for Wage Stabilization are $11,000 for the national office and $18,000 for the field offices. Most of the travel, so far as the national people are concerned, consisted of visits to the regional offices for the purpose of correlating their work with the national office. The travel by the people in the field is usually in connection with some specific case where more exact information is required and one of our people has to visit the plant. Their travel expenditures are proportionately very small. On page 82 of the justifications there is an over-all summary. It summarizes the items that appear in the other one. Mr. TABER. I do not know whether that table will appear in the record naturally or not, but I would like to have it go in. Mr. CANNoN. Without objection it will be included in the record at this point. (The table referred to is as follows:)

Explanation of estimates for travel 1

Estimated obligations, 1945-------------------------------------- $873, 120
Proposed, 1946------------------------------------------------- 800,000
Decrease------------------------------------------------ 73, 120
Office of the Board members------------------------ - - - - - - - - - 133,645
Office of the Executive Director----------------------------- - 2,856
Legal Division--------------------------------------------- 3, 864
National Disputes Division.------ - 28, 0.40
Wage Stabilization Division------ -- 11, 200
Division of Public Information------------------------------- 980
Division of Administrative Management----------------------- 12, 950
Steel Commission------------------------------------------- 2,800
Textile Commission----------------------------------------- 2, 520
Meatpacking Commission----------------------------------- 1, 218
Telephone panel-------------------------------------------- 3,080
Trucking Commission--------------------------------------- 11,900
War-shipping panel----------------------------------------- 4, 200
Airframe panel--------------------------------------------- 5,740
Shipbuilding Commission------------------------------------ 13, 160
Total, departmental.-------------------------------------- 238, 153
Office of the Board members--------------------------------- 194, 667
Legal Division--------------------------------------------- 41, 244
Disputes Division------------------------------------------ 279, 500
Wage Stabilization Division---------------------------------- 18,000
Division of Administrative Management----------------------- 7, 500
Newspaper Commission------------------------------------- 6, 559
Nonferrous Metals Commission------------------------------ 3,780
Tool and Die Commission----------------------------------- 168
West Coast Lumber Commission----------------------------- 10, 429
Total, field---------------------------------------------- 561, 847
Total, field and departmental.------------------------------ 800,000

* A break-down of travel estimates will be found in the details of 1946 Budget estimates.


Mr. TABER. In your estimates this year you set up $873,123 for travel. That is what you figure at the present time you are going to spend. How much have you spent down to the 1st of April for travel? Mr. KHEEL. We will have to insert that in the record. Mr. TABER. Do you have any estimate as to what you have spent on anything that will run down to date? Mr. KHEEL. On travel? \!. TABER. On anything; an over-all estimate down to any date at all. Mr. KHEEL. We have not brought those figures with us, sir. Mr. TABER. You know, Mr. Chairman, it is customary, when they come over, to o; that information, because that gives us some kind of a guide as to what they have any license to be asking for, so that we can check up on them. Mr. CANNoN. Can you give us an estimate of it at this time, and later supply the actual figures? Mr. KHEEL. On an over-all basis we were running for the first 6 months about 49 percent of the amount appropriated for our agency by Congress. Mr. TABER. Is it averaging about that sum all the way through, or is it higher with reference to certain items than it is with reference to others, in proportion? Mr. KHEEL. There is some variation in it, by and large. Dr. TAYLOR. May I comment a moment? Mr. TABER. Yes. Dr. TAYLoR. Most of our travel expense arises because of the tripartite nature of the Board. Both on the Board level and in hearing disputes we call in on each one a representative of business and a representative of labor. They are not regular Board employees. They are what is known as “consultants.” They go home to their business and then they are called in to sit on a particular case. So they are per diem employees. If you will notice, the office of the Board members has a traveling expense of $133,000. Most of that has to do with the business and labor representatives' travel between the Board and their places of business. Mr. TABER. You mean the per diem employees are called in for specific cases? Dr. TAYLOR. Yes, sir. That, too, goes to this item on disputes. If you will notice, the disputes travel item— Mr. TABER. That is $279,000? Dr. TAYLoR. That is in the field, for disputes. A case arises in an area and we set up a three-man panel to consider it, and the expense really is in the labor and industry representatives coming to the place of meeting and then going back home when they have finished their duties on that particular case. I think, if you will notice the other items on the list, you will see that the travel expense is relatively small. The travel can vary, Mr. Taber. Often we have a great number of panels having to sit on disputes in a particular month. We seek, wherever we can, to get the parties to agree to have a single hearing officer. We will not do that unless the parties agree, because they are entitled to the threeman board if they wish it. There might be a series of cases where the parties would agree to a single hearing officer. There might be another group where they insist on the tripartite set-up, in which case the travel expense goes up. It is because of that particular method of operation that our travel estimate is as it is stated here.


Mr. CANNoN. It might be well in connection with this matter to insert at this point in the record a complete statement showing 9 months' obligations for each category; that is, for personal service, travel, and so forth.

Mr. KHEEL. All right, Mr. Chairman.

(The information requested is as follows:)

National War Labor Board summary of obligations, fiscal year 1945

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July August

Personal services (per annum)--------------------- $541, 191 $682,769 $598, 179 $665,824 $542, 546 Temporary employees--------- ---- - 88, 699 98, 870 100,272 118,810 94, 787 Travel.------------------- --- --- 64,993 67,976 51,913 56, 886 68,248 Transportation of things-- ---- --- 448 156 120 244 542 Communications.-------- ---- - 25, 173 30, 101 23,716 16, 138 182,638 Rents and utilities-------- ---- --- 56,781 49,367 36, 709 60 2 168,493 Printing and binding------------------ --- 1, 176 415 771 7,339 —5,804 Miscellaneous contractual services----- -- 25,772 28.485 25, 165 20,828 30,830 Supplies and materials---------------- --- 3,014 5, 680 5, 895 2,802 6,959 Equipment--------------- ---- - 2, 186 3,779 2, 246 –289 1,008 Special projects - * 1,587,713 ||----------|---------- *932,416 |---------Total---------------------------------------- 2,397, 146 967, 598 844,986 1,821,058 990,247

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Decem- r Febru- - igations

ber January ary March through

Mar, 31 Personal services (per annum)------------------- $609,279 $620,067 $626,246 $590,516 $5,476,617 Temporary employees--------- ---- 74,824 105,409 93,305 98,675 873,651 Travel.------------------- 41,051 53, 507 51,801 71,885 528, 260 Transportation of things-- 403 149 331 140 2, 533 Communications--------- - 26, 203 24,602 || 4 56,362 27,503 312, 436 Rents and utilities-------- --- --- 28,088 43,681 36, 160 41,395 460, 734 Printing and binding------------------ --- 2,415 1, 513 4,410 508 12,743 Miscellaneous contractual services. 289 19, 564 17, 132 25, 174 215, 239 Supplies and materials 12,621 9,622 7, 483 9,777 63,853 Equipment---- 1,783 1,289 1,849 6,050 19,901 Special projects---------------------------------|---------- *941,890 ----------|---------- 3,462,019 Total.-------------------------------------- 818,956 1,821, 293 895,079 871,623 11,427,986

i Includes $41,100 for communication servicestransferred to Public Buildings Administration for months April, May, and June 1945, *Includes $113,000 for term rentals and utilities transferred to Public Buildings Administration for months of April, May, and June 1945. *Includes obligations for a 3-month period on funds transferred to Department of Labor. *Includes $33,300 for penalty mail obligations for period July 1, 1944, to Mar. 31, 1945.

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Mr. TABER. In the audit on this table [indicating] that the chairman referred to to start with, you have some things that I do not understand. You have got $15,000,000 for the 1945 appropriation, showing Poio and man-years exactly the same. I have always been told by the other agencies that the number of positions would exceed the man-years by perhaps anywhere from 5 to 10 percent, dependent on what unit it was; and I am wondering if that is the case with you just as it is with the other agencies.

Mr. KHEEL. That is generally true.

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