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SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR
MICHAEL J. KIRWAN, Ohio, Chairman W. F. NORRELL, Arkansas
BEN F. JENSEN, Iowa HENRY M. JACKSON, Washington IVOR D. FENTON, Pennsylvania
TUESDAY, JULY 18, 1950.
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS
WITNESS W. BARTON GREENWOOD, EXECUTIVE OFFICER, BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS
CONSTRUCTION AT INDIAN SCHOOLS
Mr. KIRWAN. We have before us a supplemental estimate, contained on page 14 of House Document No. 640, for an additional amount for “Construction, Bureau of Indian Affairs,” of $205,000 to provide funds for the reconstruction of farm buildings at the Chilocco School, Oklahoma, and for the reconstruction of the White Horse School, Cheyenne River Reservation, S. Dak.
Mr. Greenwood, do you wish to make a statement to the committee?
Mr. GREENWOOD. Mr. Chairman, there are two estimates before the committee this morning for the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first one is for $205,000 for construction, which embraces two projects: One project is for $115,000 and would provide funds to replace facilities that were destroyed at the Chilocco Indian School at Chilocco, Okla., last November, by fire.
There were five buildings destroyed, consisting of a horse barn, a hay barn, a mule barn and tractor shed, scale house and stock shed.
This school enrolls about 775 pupils of whom some 200 are Navajo children.
The school instructional program includes vocational courses. A large agricultural vocational program is conducted by the school. The school operates a farm of 8,640 acres and has a large amount of stock and farm machinery.
The buildings that were destroyed were used for storing the farm machinery as well as the stock, hay, and grain that are raised at the school.
The estimate is $115,000, which will enable us to replace the horse barn and to recondition the wing of the old horse barn that was not completely destroyed; to replace the sheep barn and the hay shed, and construct a machinery shed, tractor shed, and scale house, and to provide the necessary utilities connections with the new buildings.
We propose to construct the new buildings, as far as can be done, on the foundations of the old buildings in order to reduce the construction costs, and to use student labor as far as possible. For those reasons our estimated unit rate for new construction is very
low. For example, on the barn, the horse barn, the estimate is 28 cents per cubic foot; the sheep barn, 25 cents per cubic foot; the hay shed, 10 cents per cubic foot, and the machinery shed, 15 cents per cubic foot. The tractor barn, 25 cents per cubic foot. The most costly structure will be the scale house, which is expected to cost 90 cents per cubic foot.
The other part of the estimate of $205,000 is $90,000 for the reconstruction of a day school on the Cheyenne River Reservation at White Horse, that was destroyed by fire on February 22, 1950.
The old structure was built to provide one classroom, although it was being operated on a two-classroom basis, because the number of children attending school required facilities in that area on a two-room basis. They were provided by the addition of a temporary structure to the main classroom building.
There is a sufficient number of children in the area to warrant the construction of a two-room school, and this estimate of $90,000 would provide such a building.
In addition to the school building itself the estimate includes funds for the construction of a cottage for the additional teacher that would be required in operating the school on a two-room basis.
PAYMENT TO THREE AFFILIATED TRIBES, FORT BERTHOLD RESERVATION,
N. DAK. Mr. KIRWAN. There is also an item in House Document No. 640 to provide for payment to the Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Reservation, N. Dak., for fiscal year 1950, as authorized by the act of October 29, 1949 (Public Law 437), of $7,500,000, to cover losses suffered by reason of the construction of Garrison Dam.
Mr. GREENWOOD. The second estimate before the committee for the Bureau is one of $7,500,000, as you indicate, Mr. Chairman, to cover the payment to the Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Reservation, N. Dak.
This sum is authorized to be appropriated pursuant to the authorization contained in the act of October 29, 1949. Section 12 of that act provides that in addition to the amount of $5,105,625 appropriated to the War Department in the Civil Functions Appropriation Act of 1948, a further sum of 7.5 million dollars, less any part that might be required to pay for lands that will be flooded by the construction of Garrison Dam, and to cover the cost of relocating Indians living in the area to be inundated and the removal of shrines and cemeteries should be placed to the credit of the tribes.
This act of October 29, 1949, represented the culmination of many months
of negotiations, discussions, and hearings. The Fort Berthold Indians have protested from the very beginning the construction of the dam because it will mean the complete disrup: tion of about 300 families living in the bottom area along the Missouri River, that will be flooded by the construction of the Garrison Dam.
Thé 7.5 million dollars represents the amount to be paid to them in compensation for the loss of their land and for indemnifying them for the disruption that the construction of the dam will cause to them.
Mr. KIRWAN. Is that all?
NEED FOR SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST
Mr. KIRWAN. Tell me why, after we had the committee in session for weeks holding lengthy hearings on the regular annual appropriation bill, that this request of $205,000 should be presented now to cover replacement of buildings that burned down last November.
Mr. GREENWOOD. There were two reasons. First, of course, the budget had already been prepared at that time.
Mr. KIRWAN. Why did that not come in with the request while we were considering the other bill, at the same time?
Mr. GREENWOOD. It was necessary, of course, to develop the preliminary plans.
Mr. KIRWAN. I understand, and I do not mean to be arguing about it, but may I say that if I am here after January 1, there will be no deficiencies, so the bureau had better make an effort to work out its requirements so as to develop any plans that are needed.
As for the $205,000, certainly the plans could have been developed between November and January or February. Projects are being developed in this country in 1 month that cost many millions of dollars, and this only cost $205,000. Now, I do not mean that I am of any great importance, but there are a half dozen people trying to see
my office right now, some from your own Department, and others. After January 1, if I am here, there should not be any deficiency estimates at all.
Mr. GREENWOOD. We always try to hold our deficiency requirements
Mr. KIRWAN (interposing). Pardon me; I am not talking about that. You could have come in with this at the time the regular bill was being considered.
Mr. GREENWOOD. We have very limited facilities, to begin with, Mr. Chairman, for developing our plans and estimates, and that is one thing that delays us sometimes in preparing our estimates in cases of this kind. We would prefer to include all of our requirements in the regular bill.
Mr. KIRWAN. But you could have, while the committee was in session, come up with the deficiency or supplemental and had it all considered at the same time. That is what I am referring to. That could have been done any time before the committee adjourned to mark up the regular bill. I am not trying to say that you had to get it in the regular budget, but you had from November until we marked up the bill, and no one can convince me that you could not complete the plans for a $205,000 project in that length of time.
Mr. GREENWOOD. We could have.
Mr. KIRWAN. That is what I am referring to, rather than having it come up as a deficiency and requiring the Congress to start the appropriation machinery all over again.
COSTS OF BARNS
Mr. JENSEN. You have $205,000 requested for the Bureau of Indian Affairs to build these barns that were destroyed by fire. What is the dimension of each of these buildings? Do you have that?
Mr. GREENWOOD. The horse barn will be 34 feet by 203 feet, contain 113,400 cubic feet, and will cost an estimate of 28 cents per cubic foot, for a total of $32,000.
The sheep barn will be 25 feet by 100 feet, and contain 37,500 cubic feet, and cost 25 cents per cubic foot.
Mr. JENSEN. I see you have a list here on page 2 of your justification of the very things I am asking for.
Mr. GREENWOOD. Yes.
Mr. JENSEN. What is the height of the sides of that barn? You see, I am an old lumberman myself and I have built a lot of barns in my time, and when you ask for $32,000 to build a barn of this size, which is only 34 feet wide and 203 feet long-well, $32,000 for å barn is a lot of money. It must be pretty high.
Mr. GREENWOOD. This would be a two-story barn.
Mr. GREENWOOD. Yes; it is about 17 feet, not including the roof space.
Mr. JENSEN. That makes some difference.
Now you are asking for additional personnel hire. You are requesting for personal services, $79,700. Does it mean you are going to hire extra personnel?
Mr. GREENWOOD. That would be just for labor necessary for the construction of the buildings. It would not be permanent labor.
Mr. JENSEN. That is you are not hiring anyone under civil service, particularly to see that the barns are properly built?
Mr. GREENWOOD. No; we will use the personnel there to supervise construction.
Mr. JENSEN. You will not put on a lot of extra help?
Mr. GREENWOOD. The barn probably will be built by force account. We want to use student labor at the school in order to hold costs down.
Mr. JENSEN. I see.
Mr. GREENWOOD. But the students of course will be paid for their services.
Mr. JENSEN. Now with reference to the schoolhouse: How big is it; what are the dimensions of that school? I notice you want to have a two-room school?
Mr. GREENWOOD. That is correct.
Mr. JENSEN. The cost is $90,000 for a two-room school. They must be awfully big rooms.
Well, I see there is also a cottage. It is $62,900 for a two-room school. What is it; brick?
Mr. GREENWOOD. No; it will be frame construction, possibly it will be built by contract.
Mr. JENSEN. How big are the rooms?
Mr. GREENWOOD. They will be big enough to accommodate 30 pupils in each room.