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The CHAIRMAN. How long have you lived in Virginia?

Mr. WARNER. I have lived there off and on since I was first introduced to Virginia, Senator Byrd's area, when I was 4 or 5 years old. The CHAIRMAN. I mean how long have you been a legal resident of Virginia?

Mr. WARNER. Just a year, sir. I transferred my taxes and so forth to Virginia about a year ago.

The CHAIRMAN. I want to ask you this question. This is not personal, either. What are your present intentions as to how long you will expect to stay in this office if you are confirmed?

Mr. WARNER. Mr. Chairman, it would be my hope to serve at the pleasure of the President for the full 4-year term.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, you anticipate the President's reelection, maybe. You have present expectations of serving here in this office, then, as long as it is the pleasure of the President?

Mr. WARNER. That is correct, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. That is a good answer.

Senator Smith, do you have any questions?

Senator SMITH. No, Mr. Chairman, I have no questions. I plan to vote for the confirmation of Mr. Warner.

The CHAIRMAN. Gentlemen of the committee, this is Mr. John W. Warner, who has been nominated to be Under Secretary of the Navy. He is a lawyer by profession and has lived in the District. A year ago he became a citizen of Virginia. He has been a practicing courtroom lawyer. He has been vouched for by Senator Byrd.

Senator RUSSELL. I do not have the pleasure of knowing Mr. Warner personally. I did read his biographical sketch and background material yesterday. He would seem to be qualified for the position to which he has been appointed.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator.

Senator Symington?

Senator SYMINGTON. No questions, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Byrd?

Senator BYRD, Jr., of Virginia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I assume that the committee would not insist that Mr. Warner cease to be a life trustee of the Washington and Lee University. I know his association with the university would mean a lot to that great institution and I can see no conflict of interest. I assume that it would meet with the committee's approval for him to continue as a life trustee.

The CHAIRMAN. I do not see any conflict of interest unless there is some special fact that the Senator knows about or Mr. Warner knows about that could possibly involve conflict of interest.

Mr. WARNER. Mr. Chairman, I consulted at length with the President of Washington and Lee University and determined that there is a minimal relationship between that university and the U.S. Government. It is truly an independent institution.

The CHAIRMAN. You did not find anything that would embarrass you in any way in passing on your official duties?

Mr. WARNER. None whatsoever.

The CHAIRMAN. If you do, you will so advise this committee?
Mr. WARNER. Promptly, sir.

Senator BYRD, Jr., of Virginia. One other question I would have, Mr. Warner, is a trustee of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, which is a very fine, important organization in Virginia and I would be hopeful that he would continue in that capacity. I personally can see there would be no conflict of interest involved. He has been very helpful to it.

The CHAIRMAN. The same questions apply, and answers? What are your answers?

Mr. WARNER. The same answers, sir.

Senator BYRD, Jr., of Virginia. One other question, Mr. Chairman. I note in the securities not to be sold are Northern Virginia Communications, Inc.

What is that?

Mr. WARNER. Senator, that is a company formed to hold the stock of daily newspapers. At present, it holds the stock of some five daily newspapers in northern Virginia.

Senator BYRD, Jr., of Virginia. Five daily newspapers in northern Virginia?

Mr. WARNER. Excuse me, they are weekly, sir. I am new to the profession. To the best of my knowledge, they are not competitive with any of your interests in this field.

The CHAIRMAN. Any other questions?

Senator BYRD, Jr., of Virginia. No further questions.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Young, this is Mr. John W. Warner of the State of Virginia, nominated for Under Secretary of the Navy. He has been asked the usual questions with very good answers. He has cleared the standards of the committee with regard to possible conflict-of-interest provisions.

Do you have any questions at this point?

Senator YOUNG of Ohio. Mr. Chairman, thank you.

I have not heard the other questions and your answers, sir, but I have read your biographical data. I am much impressed that the President has apparently made a very fine appointment. This is the only question I have to ask you. So many Assistant Secretaries that have passed through this committee occupy that position for maybe a year and then retire to some position in private life. Is it your intention to remain at least for 4 years in the post if this committee recommends to the Senate that you be confirmed and that your intention is that it be your career for at least 4 years?

Mr. WARNER. At least 4 years.

Senator YOUNG of Ohio. You cannot promise beyond January 1973, any more than I can promise what I will do after January 1971. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Dominick?

Senator DOMINICK. I apologize for being a little late. I have been attending a meeting of the Labor and Public Welfare Committee on other nominations.

The CHAIRMAN. That is all right.

May I make a little brief summary? The usual questions have been asked. Mr. Warner has cleared the barriers of the committee with regard to conflict of interest.

Senator DOMINICK. I want to congratulate Mr. Warner. I have been through his recommendations before this. I think he is highly qualified and I am happy to have him on board.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much.

Any other questions of Mr. Warner?

(No response.)

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Mr. Warner. We are glad to have had you here and we will pass on this matter when we can get to it in executive session.

(The nomination of John W. Warner to be Under Secretary of the Navy was subsequently approved by the committee in executive session and confirmed by the Senate on February 7, 1969.)

NOMINATION OF FRANK P. SANDERS TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY (INSTALLATIONS AND LOGISTICS)

(The nomination reference and biographical data of Mr. Sanders follow, as well as a letter addressed to the chairman of the Committee from Mr. Sanders regarding his financial holdings.)

NOMINATION REFERENCE AND REPORT

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION,
SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES,
January 31, 1969.

Ordered, That the following nomination be referred to the Committee on Armed Services:

Frank Sanders, of Maryland, to be an Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

BIOGRAPHICAL DATA OF FRANK P. SANDERS

Born: Tarbo, North Carolina, July 10, 1919.

Family: Married Mary Ellen Gilbert, Sept. 1948; two sons, ages 14 and 17.
Residence: 5310 Glenwood Road, Bethesda, Md.

Education: Graduated from Armstrong Junior College, Savannah, Ga.. and from the Law School of The George Washington University (Juris Doctor). Completed course work, with honors, for Master's Degree in Government and Politics at the University of Maryland; thesis under preparation.

Experience: Staff, Committee on Appropriations, United States House of Representatives, 1949 to present. Primary assignments have been related to the programs of the Department of Defense, including all three services, the Civil Works Program of the Department of the Army, and the entire budget of the Department of the Navy. Present assignments are as staff assistant to the Subcommittee on Military Construction and staff assistant to the subcommittee on Department of Defense, with special assignment to procurement appropriations. Other assignments have included civil defense activities, the so-called emergency agencies during the Korean conflict, and staff work on the original foreign-aid program (Marshall Plan) and the District of Columbia appropriations. Administrative Assistant, Hon. John H. Kerr (D), M.C., 1946-1949. Surveying, engineering, and draftsman work, Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission, 1938-1940.

Military Experience: Entered Army as a Private in 1941; discharged as a Captain in 1945. Service included one year of enlisted service, with remainder as Assistant S-2 (Intelligence and Survey), on the division artillery staffs of the 85th Infantry Division and the 34th Infantry Division. Service with the latter was confined solely to the occupation of certain areas in Italy after the war. Member of the Army Organized Reserve Corps 1945 to present, with present grade of Lieutenant Colonel (Retired). Held mobilization assignment as Chief, Office of School Secretary (Colonel), Army Judge Advocate General's School, until 1965 when declared a “key civilian" and transferred to the Inactive Reserve. Decorations include the Bronze Star and the European theater ribbon with three battle stars.

Outside activities: Past president, Board of Trustees, Gospel Mission, Washington, D.C.; former member, Board of Trustees, Washington Bible College; member and Elder, Fourth Presbyterian Church, Bethesda, Md.; member, Advisory Board, Pinwheel Junior Rifle Club; associate member, Institute for Strategic Studies, London; member Psi Sigma Alpha (Political Science Honorary Fraternity).

Hon. JOHN C. STENNIS,

Chairman, Committee on Armed Services,
U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C.

FEBRUARY 3, 1969.

DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN: I am writing this letter to advise the Senate, through your Committee, of the nature and status of my private business affairs and of the arrangements which I intend to make with respect to them in the event the Senate confirms my pending nomination for appointment to the office of Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Installations and Logistics).

From 1949 to the present time, I have been continuously employed as a member of the staff of the Committee on Appropriations of the United States House of Representatives. This employment would of course be terminated in the event of my confirmation and assumption of the office for which I have been nominated. The only nonprofit organizations with which I am now actively affiliated are shown in Attachment A. In the absence of objection by the Committee, I would propose to retain those affiliations so long as the activities of those organizations raise no possibility of conflict with the duties of my Government office.

Some of the securities I own are of companies which do business with the Department of Defense. If confirmed, I shall sell those securities. They are listed on Attachment B.

The General Counsel of the Department of Defense has informed me that certain other securities which I own may continue to be held by me without incurring any possible conflict of interest as a result of such ownership. Attachment C is a list of these latter securities which, subject to any objection by your Committee, I shall continue to hold. I would propose to disqualify myself from dealing with any matters which might affect these companies so long as I continue to hold their stock.

It is my desire and intention to comply fully with both the letter and the spirit of the laws and regulations relating to conflicts of interest. I believe that the actions I have proposed above will bring me into compliance with the legal requirements, and I hope that the Committee will find that they likewise satisfy its re quirements and policies in such matters.

Sincerely yours,

FRANK P. SANDERS.

ORGANIZATIONAL AFFILIATIONS OF FRANK P. SANDERS

Institute for Strategic Studies, London, Associate Member.

Psi Sigma Alpha (Political Science Honorary Fraternity), Member.

Pinwheel Junior Rifle Club, Member, Advisory Board.

Fourth Presbyterian Church, Bethesda, Md., Member and Elder.

SECURITIES HELD IN COMPANIES DOING BUSINESS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE-TO BE SOLD

Union Oil of California.

Standard Oil of California.

American Standard Inc. (Preferred).

SECURITIES HELD IN COMPANIES NOT ON LIST OF CONTRACTORS HOLDING DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CONTRACTS OF $10,000 OR MORE

Potomac Electric Power Co.

Washington Gas Light Co.
Pacific Gas and Electric Corp.
Greyhound Corporation.

The CHAIRMAN. Gentlemen of the committee, this is Mr. Frank P. Sanders, nominated to be Assistant Secretary of the Navy. I have already stated that Mr. Sanders has submitted the letter of information

regarding his holdings. The Chief of Staff has testified as to his approval. I, along with other members of this committee, know Mr. Sanders personally. He has rendered a very fine service as an important staff member on the House Committee on Appropriations. I have known him there in conferences and talked to him once about coming over here on this side to work.

We are glad to have you here this morning. You have heard my question. What is your purpose in serving in this position, Mr. Sanders! STATEMENT OF FRANK P. SANDERS, NOMINEE TO BE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY (INSTALLATIONS AND LOGISTICS)

Mr. SANDERS. Mr. Chairman, may I say that I feel exceedingly humble seated here on the other side of the table. I look upon this position, if I am confirmed, as being a really great challenge as well as another opportunity to serve this country, which has done so much for me and for the members of my family, and which we love so deeply.

The CHAIRMAN. You could not improve on that. How long do you expect to serve?

Mr. SANDERS. As long as the President of the United States asks me to do so, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You will have men there that you have dealt with. You know the problems we have here taking testimony, sometimes hurriedly. You know we cannot operate unless we have the facts-I mean the legislative branch of the Government. What would be your attitude toward giving a full, frank statement of the utmost candor on all of the facts in any matter that you testify about here?

Mr. SANDERS. Mr. Chairman, as you know, I regard the legislative and executive branches of our Government as a team, dedicated to providing the best national security possible for this country. The only way to accomplish this is for those in the executive branch to be candid and speak to you with all the facts at their command. If confirmed I will certainly attempt to do this. I just do not know any other way of doing business.

The CHAIRMAN. Will you do that?

Mr. SANDERS. I certainly will, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Will you exercise your influence to see that others in your Department, in and out of uniform, will do the same thing? Mr. SANDERS. I certainly will, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Will you consult with military officials concerning matters upon which they have professional judgment before you reach your conclusion?

Mr. SANDERS. Yes, sir: I will.

The CHAIRMAN. With your legislative background, you will not have any excuse for not understanding us and our problems and not doing a good job over there.

Mr. SANDERS. Thank you, sir. I will attempt to do so.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Smith?

Senator SMITH. Mr. Chairman, I have no questions to ask. I shall be very happy to vote for confirmation of Mr. Sanders.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you.

Senator Russell?

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