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Gladieux, Bernard, chairman, executive committee of the National

Civil Service League, accompanied by Rocco Siciliano, member,

board of the National Civil Service League.

Gleason, Hon. John S., Jr., Administrator of Veterans' Affairs ---
Goldberg, Hon. Arthur J., Secretary of Labor --
Halaby, Hon. Najeeb E., Administrator, Federal Aviation Agency-
Harding, Hon. Ralph R., of Idaho --
Healey, Hon. James C., of New York.-
Herwitz, Miss Adele, R.N., director, economic security program of

the American Nurses Association, New York City, accompained by

Miss Julia C. Thompson, Washington representative..

Hodges, Hon. Luther H., Secretary of Commerce, accompanied by

Hon. John H. Hollomon, Assistant Secretary of Commerce for

Science and Technology,

Dr. A. V. Astin, Director, National Bureau

of Standards, and Dr. F. W. Reichelderfer, Chief of the Weather

Bureau.--

Holland, Hon. Elmer J., of Pennsylvania -

Jaspan, Daniel, legislative representative, National Association of

Postal Supervisors, accompanied by Fred J. O'Dwyer, president,

A. L. Sellers, first vice president, and Don Ledbetter, secretary,

National Association of Postal Supervisors...

Jones, Hon. Roger W., Deputy Under Secretary for Administration,

Department of Staté..

Karth, Hon. Joseph E., of Minnesota.

Keating, Jerome J., vice president, National Association of Letter

Carriers, accompanied by James H. Rademacher, assistant secre-

tary-treasurer, George A. Bang, director, Life Insurance Depart-

ment, and James P. Deely, director, Health Benefits Department,

National Association of Letter Carriers..

Keogh, Hon. Eugene J., of New York...,

Kimball, Dan A., president, Aerojet-General Corp., Azusa, Calif

Kowalski, Hon. Frank, of Connecticut..

Kunkel, Hon. John C., of Pennsylvania

Langan, James K., operations director, Government Employees' Coun-

cil, AFL-CIO.

Lassiter, Dilliard, executive director, Organization of Professional Em-

ployees, Department of Agriculture --

Lawton, Esther C., president, Society for Personnel Administration..

Macdonald, Hon. Torbert H., of Massachusetts.
MacKay, John W., president, National Postal Union, accompanied

by David Silvergleid, secretary-treasurer, Walter O. Noreen, execu-

tive vice president-

Macy, Hon. John W., Jr., Chairman, Civil Service Commission.
Magnuson, Hon. Don, of Washington.--
Martin, Tommy M., president, National Rural Letter Carriers Asso-

ciation, accompanied by Max Jordan, vice president, John Emeigh,
secretary, and Carey W. Hilliard, member of the executive commit-

tee.

May, Hon. Catherine, of Washington, letters from Eugene N. Bowling,

Eugene C. Weber, postmaster, and Everett Ganzman, president,
local 181, NFFE, Walla Walla, Wash.

McAvoy, Harold, president, National Association of Post Office &

Postal Transportation Service Mail Handlers, Watchmen, Mes-

sengers, and Group Leaders, accompanied by Andrew W. Carniato,

chairman, executive board...

McCone, Hon. John A., Director, Central Intelligence Agency (letter).

McDonough, Hon. Gordon L., of California -

Merrow, Hon. Chester E., of New Hampshire.

Messer, Ross, legislative representative, National Association of Post

Office & General Services Maintenance Employees

Miller, Hon. George P., of California -

Moorhead, Hon. William S., of Pennsylvania.-

Morris, Hon. Thomas D., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Instal-

lations and Logistics

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Moynihan, Daniel P., Special Assistant to the Secretary of Labor,

accompanied by Ewan Clague, Commissioner, Bureau of Labor Page

Statistics

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Multer, Hon. Abraham J., of New York..

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Mumford, Hon. L. Quincy, Librarian of Congress-

708

Murphy, Hon. Charles S., Under Secretary of Agriculture, accom-

panied by Max P. Reid, Assistant Director of Personnel..

237

Murphy, Hon. Richard J., Assistant Postmaster General for Per-

sonnel.

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Nelsen, Hon. Ancher, letter presented for the record from Rod Starz,
Harmony, Minn..

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Norris, C. T., president, National Association of Agricultural Stabili-

zation Conservation County Office Employees, Marks, Miss.,
accompanied by H. W. Jones, vice president, New Boston, Tex.,
and Clyde R. Payne, secretary-treasurer, Jasper, Fla--

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O'Connor, John F., legislative director, United Federation of Postal

Clerks, accompanied by E. C. Hallbeck, president, United Federa-

tion of Postal Clerks, John F. Bowen, secretary-treasurer, United

Federation of Postal Clerks, and Paul A. Nagle, administrative vice

president, United Federation of Postal Clerks --

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Owen, Vaux, president, National Federation of Federal Employees- 459

Perkins, Hon. Carl D., of Kentucky-

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Puskar, Charles E., executive secretary-treasurer, National Associa-

tion of Postmasters, accompanied by Roy North, legislative repre-
sentative..

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Reynolds, Don P., assistant secretary, American Society of Civil En-

gineers, New York, N.Y..--

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Robbins, James A., president, Federal Government Accountants

Association

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Robbins, Paul H., executive director, National Society of Professional

Engineers.

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Root, L. Eugene, president, Lockheed Missiles & Space Co., Sunny-

vale, Calif

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Rosenthal, Hon. Benjamin S., of New York..

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Ryan, Hon. William Fitts, of New York.

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Santangelo, Hon. Alfred E., of New York...

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Smith, Ashby G., president, National Alliance of Postal Employees,

accompanied by Charles R. Braxton, administrative assistant,
National Alliance of Postal Employees -

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Sprague, Mansfield D., New York, NY.

703

Staats, Hon. Elmer E., Deputy Director, Bureau of the Budget

41
Stephens, Russell M., president, American Federation of Technical

Engineers, AFL/CIÓ, accompanied by Max Shine, Federal employee

representative, American Federation of Technical Engineers - - 592

Stiefel, Paul, P.E., president, North Shore Chapter, Illinois Society of

Professional Engineers.--.

709

Sullivan, Hon. Leonor K., of Missouri.

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Vaughn, William T., president, National League of Postmasters,

accompanied by Francis Davenport, editor, Postmaster's Advocate 603
Warfel, George L., president, National Association of Special Delivery
Messengers -

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Webb, Hon. James E., Administrator, National Aeronautics and

Space Administration, accompanied by Albert F. Siepert, Director,
Office of Administration, Robert J. Lacklen, Director of Personnel,
and Howard N. Braithwaite, Personnel Specialist

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Zablocki, Hon. Clement J., of Wisconsin..

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Zelenko, Hon. Herbert, of New York.--

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REVISION OF MAJOR FEDERAL STATUTORY SALARY

SYSTEMS

THURSDAY, MAY 3, 1962

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON POST OFFICE AND CIVIL SERVICE,

Washington, D.C.
The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in room 215,
House Office Building, Washington, D.C., Hon. James H. Morrison
(acting chairman), presiding.
Mr. MORRISON. The committee will come to order.

Some members have called to say they would be a few minutes late but we will go ahead for the sake of saving the members' time and start the hearings now. I am certain the other members will be here shortly.

This morning the Committee on Post Office and Civil Service will commence hearings on a number of bills which are pending before the committee providing necessary and justified increases in compensation for Federal employees. These bills relate to postal field service employees, classified employees, Foreign Service employees, and other employees in the executive branch of the Government, as well as employees of the judicial and legislative branches of the Government.

A number of independent surveys have demonstrated the need for the enactment of pay increase legislation. For example, when President Kennedy recommended salary increases for Federal employees on February 20, 1962, he stated :

Too many Federal employees are underpaid in proportion to their responsibilities. Too many receive smaller salaries than are paid by many private industries, and even by many States and local governments, for less responsible work. Too many top-grade or supervisory Federal employees are paid little more, and sometimes even less than their subordinates. Too many key career employees are unable to afford continued public service.

Surveys conducted in a number of our States show that janitors, streetcleaners, and custodial employees in private industry are paid more than clerks and carriers in the postal field service.

Many higher paid Federal employees would obtain greater salaries if they were employed by the States, say for example, of Georgia, Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Michigan, or California.

Over the years in the postal field service and under the Classification Act we have seen a severe compression between the top and the bottom salary levels. The 8.8 to 1 and the 12 to 1 ratio between the highest and the lowest salaries in the Classification Act and postal field service

grades existing prior to World War II has shrunk to ratios of less than 6 to 1, thus making it impossible as the President statedto offer pay increases consistent with the added responsibilities of grade-to-grade promotions or to offer an appropriate range of incentives within a particular grade.

All of this information plus supporting evidence will be developed during the hearings by representatives of postal and Federal employee organizations and top officials in the executive branch of our Government as well as by many Members of Congress and other witnesses.

It is my earnest hope that the committee's decision in connection with this matter will not be based upon a predetermined dollar

amount which has been theoretically set aside for pay increases. With the vast responsibilities of our Federal Government in these perilous times and the reliance upon our Federal employees for the safety, security, and efficiency of our Federal Government, we cannot afford less than the best possible treatment for our Government employees. The tremendous sums of Federal funds which are under their control and direction and the fearful responsibilities which they exercise from day to day lead me to the conclusion that we must pay our dedicated and loyal Federal employees adequate compensation. In these enlightened times, it should not be necessary for any full-time Federal employee to hold two jobs in order to support himself or herself and his or her family.

We are pleased to have as the first witness at the hearing this morning the Chairman of the U.S. Civil Service Commission, Hon. John Macy, who in my opinion is a very dedicated and brilliant Federal official.

May I suggest that the witness be allowed to complete his prepared statement before the members proceed to ask their questions.

Mr. Macy, will you proceed. STATEMENT OF JOHN W. MACY, JR., CHAIRMAN, CIVIL SERVICE

COMMISSION, ACCOMPANIED BY 0. GLENN STAHL, DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF PROGRAM AND STANDARDS, CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION

Mr. Macy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

With your permission I would like to have Mr. 0. Glenn Stahl, Director of the Bureau of Program and Standards, accompany me this morning in order to answer any questions that may come up.

Mr. MORRISON. Certainly. And, if you would permit me, before you proceed, to make an additional statement. With the approval of the committee I should like for the record to show that a number of pay increase bills have been introduced by members of this committee which will be given consideration during these hearings. Among these bills are the following: H.R. 10480 by Chairman Murray; H.R. 10908 by Mr. Davis; H.R. 9537 and H.R. 9840 by Mrs. Granahan; H.R. 9535 by Mr. Dulski; H.R. 9543 and H.R. 9651 by Mr. Olsen; H.R. 9615 by Mr. Addabbo; H.R. 9616 by Mr. Daniels; H.R. 9661 and H.R. 9762 by Mr. Broyhill; H.R. 10435 and H.R. 10436 by Mr. Barry; H.R. 750 by Mrs. St. George; H.R. 9531, H.R. 9740, and H.R. 9935 introduced by myself.

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