forth in Department of Defense Directive 5126.24, which defines the duties and responsibilities of these Boards.

General Conaway: Yes. Air National Guard Units located on Active Force installations must clear all construction requirements with the active force facility boards before they become validated Air Guard requirements.

General Berkman: Existing facilities of all Reserve Forces, as well as all other military installations, are utilized to the maximum extent possible. Joint use is addressed for each project. Every possible facility within a 15 mile radius must be specifically considered and reasons for non selection is included in project justification. We have in the past missed opportunities. However, my complete revision of the governing Army Regulation makes it clear that where joint possibilities exist, they will be capitalized upon.

Admiral Johnson: At those locations where we are either tenants or in close proximity to active force facilities, the review of under utilized facilities is conducted.

General Wahleithner: The Air Force Reserve Military Construction Program has been fully coordinated with the active force. The Air Force Reserve makes every effort to joint use existing facilities when collocated on an active duty installation. In addition, the Air Force Reserve does make use of facilities excess to the active force when the opportunity is realized. This minimizes construction dollar needs by altering existing facilities rather than having to build completely new structures.

Mr. Sasser. How many installations are actually controlled by the Guard and Reserves?

General Walker. Army National Guard Facilities:

Type Facility

Number

General Conaway: The Air National Guard operates and maintains 89 flying and 64 non-flying installations.

General Berkman: The Commander of the Forces Command, as the Commander of Army Reserve units, controls three active and five semi-active installations as well as 1,053 Army Reserve Centers. These activities are supported by the Operation and Maintenance Army Reserve appropriation.

Admiral Johnson: A list of Naval Reserve facilities is as

General Wahleithner: The Air Force Reserve has 54 flying units and a 131 non flying units. They are based at 37 locations, 11 of which are controlled by the Air Force Reserve.

Senator Sasser. What are the estimated Operation and Maintenance costs for these installations?

General Walker. $73,504,000.

General Conaway: The total operation and maintenance costs budgeted for these installations in FY 82 is $134.28 million.

General Berkman: The Operation and Maintenance Army Reserve request for Base Operations and Communications in FY 1982 is $169,146,000.

Admiral Johnson: The Fiscal Year 1982 budget for operations and maintenance of facilities at these locations, including the Chief Naval Reserve headquarters in New Orleans, is $132.195 million.

General Wahleithner: The Air Force Reserve has requested $40,445,000 in FY 82 to perform real property maintenance functions at these locations.

Senator Sasser. Does the Backlog of Real Property Maintenance have a direct effect on your construction needs?

General Walker. The fact that Maintenance and Repair projects are deferred (backlogged) contributes substantially to the generation of new construction requirements since existing facilities are not preserved but are allowed to deteriorate past the point where it is economically feasible to repair them, thus resulting in a requirement for new construction.

General Conaway: Yes. When real property maintenance is deferred to the point where it is more economical to replace rather than to repair a facility, the construction of the replacement facility impacts on the funds available for construction of newly identified facilities to support aircraft conversions and unit relocations.

General Berkman:

The backlog of real property maintenance does not have a direct effect on the Army Reserve Construction program. However, in the expansion or modification of a center we normally take care of a repair requirement. As an example, we expanded a center in Wilmington, Delaware and as a part of the project, the roof over the existing building was replaced.

Admiral Johnson: Yes, the backlog of maintenance and repair does have a direct effect on the military construction program. As the backlog of maintenance and repair increases for a specific facility, a point is reached whereby a decision to replace rather than repair a facility may be more cost effective. The present maintenance and repair backlog consists principally of major rehabilitation and repair costs to sustain marginally adequate semi-permanent construction built between 1942 and 1950. One objective of our construction program is to replace substandard facilities which are no longer economical to repair. With regard to the continual growth in the backlog of maintenance and repair, the Congress issued a containment policy of no further growth in year end backlog above the Fiscal Year 1978 level of $20.7 million. Budget cuts, reprogramming actions which did not materialize, coupled with the inflation and deterioration of the backlog of maintenance and repair did not allow us to meet containment levels from FY 79 81. The projected maintenance of real property funding levels for Fiscal Year 1982 is projected to be $31.1 million which will still leave the Navy Reserve about $4.0 million above the Congressional containment policy.

General Wahleithner: Yes it does. If real property maintenance is not adequately funded the upkeep of facilities cannot be met. This eventually makes it economically unfeasible to repair facilities versus constructing new ones if maintenance and repair is deferred for too long a time.

Senator Sasser: For the record, please provide for the Subcommittee a priority list, by Component, of your FY 1982 program. Mr. Bee: Mr. Chairman, it is the policy of the Department of Defense not to provide such lists. Exhaustive reviews of the program have been conducted within the Service Departments, at OSD and the Office of Management and Budget. We consider all of the projects to be urgently required and have requested funding without priority consideration.

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NONDEPARTMENTAL WITNESSES

RESERVE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION OF THE UNITED STATES

STATEMENT OF MAJ. GEN. J. MILNOR ROBERTS, AUS (RETIRED), EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, RESERVE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION OF THE UNITED STATES

INTRODUCTION OF WITNESSES

Senator SASSER. We have got other witnesses here who are waiting to testify and we want to get to their testimony. [Brief pause.] Senator SASSER. Our next witnesses are Maj. Gen. J. Milnor Roberts, executive director of the Reserve Officers Association; and Maj. Gen. Francis S. Greenlief, executive vice president of the National Guard Association.

Gentlemen, we welcome you this morning and look forward to your testimony.

General Roberts, why don't you lead off here.

General ROBERTS. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. It is a pleasure as usual to be with you and perhaps we can say some things that our previous witnesses were constrained from saying. Senator SASSER. Well, I suspect that you would say that. That is one reason we wanted to have you here this morning. [Laughter.] General ROBERTS. I would ask that our entire statement be placed in the record.

Senator SASSER. It will be incorporated in the record in its entirety at the conclusion of your remarks.

General ROBERTS. I have some other remarks to make.

UPGRADING RESERVE OFFICERS

First of all, Mr. Chairman, you may have seen the Washington Post this past Friday in which an article was printed, "Relief From the Brookings Institute," which specifically addressed the need to upgrade Reserve Forces. We applaud that article with the exception that they overstated the case for budget when they talked about $11 billion and they understated the capability.

I think it should be important to know that actually the taxpayer is getting a lot out of his Reserve components and not just from the units of the Federal establishment but obviously from the National Guard.

For example, the Air Force Reserve and Guard are flying missions every day that are of vital importance to the country.

Of course with that background we need to do what we can to support these units in the construction area.