feasibility sort of thing. They will not get into engineering like Langley.

Mr. HECHLER. On this particular life support technology laboratory, are there additional questions?

Mr. Wolff?

Mr. WOLFF. Isn't it possible for you to use the facilities and personnel that are afforded at Wright for this type of testing? Do you need a duplicate facility for this?

Dr. JONES. They do not have a facility that will accommodate this, Mr. Wolff. We have been there, and checked it out. As a matter of fact the statement in the AACB was that DOD would utilize this facility rather than build one of their own.

In other words, there is no facility existing in DOD today to handle this problem.

Mr. WOLFF. What about modification of an existing facility?

Dr. JONES. It is too small, sir; we will have to build a whole new one. I have a picture here, but I don't have a slide that shows that facility. They do have a facility. It is a small tank.

Mr. WOLFF. Would they utilize your facility?

Dr. JONES. Yes, sir; this is what they said.

Mr. WOLFF. Would they phase it out?

Dr. JONES. I would not say "phase out," it depends on what their military requirements are. As far as this big facility, they would come and work with us.

Mr. WOLFF. Thank you.

Mr. HECHLER. Mr. Boone?

Mr. BOONE. Dr. Jones, where was the Apollo work done? For life support systems?

Dr. JONES. It is done at Wright Field. It is done at contractors. It is done at Houston. As a matter of fact, it is just now beginning to start.

Now Gemini, I think, is really what you mean. That was the answer I gave.

Mr. BOONE. But you said this facility will not contribute to Apollo, did you not?

Dr. JONES. That is correct, because they have a one-gas system. We are talking about a recycling system here for long duration. We are not talking about a one-gas storage supply system.

Mr. BOONE. Does that mean when you have a longer flight mission, that you have got to design a new system to take care of the life support for that one?

Dr. JONES. Yes, sir.

Mr. BOONE. Then I gather this does fit into an overall NASA plan for facilities at either Ames

Dr. JONES. Yes, sir; it does.

Mr. BOONE. What length of mission could you handle this?

Dr. JONES. On this type of work, anywhere from 30 days, on up. Mr. BOONE. It is just a question of the input gasses that would be used?

Dr. JONES. Yes, sir; managing these, yes.

Mr. WOLFF. Mr. Chairman ?

I notice there is $73 for grading, paving, and landscaping. What is this? Is this for parking facilities, or what is it?

Dr. JONES. Yes, sir; part of it will be for parking. It is at present a forested area. We will have to have access roads to it, and a little parking around it. I believe that is what this is for, Mr. Wolff. Mr. WOLFF. Thank you.

Mr. HECHLER. Suppose we come right down to the wire, and find as is frequently the case, in considerations like this, that you are just going to have to cut out somewhere, the $656,000.

What would happen?

Dr. JONES. I hope they pick another place to get it, sir. We really need this.

Mr. HECHLER. Beyond your phrase, "We really need this," could you summarize again what would happen to the program, if this particular laboratory were not authorized?

Dr. JONES. We presently have the people on board, as II indicated, working in these other buildings, and these are in crowded shop spaces, and they just are not operating efficiently.

Now we have other equipment, these components that are about to be delivered, and we are going to have to put them someplace and work with them.

We will make room somehow or other in order to do the work, because it has to be done, but it is not going to be efficient.

Mr. HECHLER. Are there further questions on the life support technology laboratory?

(No response.)

Mr. HECHLER. If not, we will move on to flight control research. Mr. Sullivan, would you like to present a short statement on the flight control research facility?

STATEMENT OF FRANCIS J. SULLIVAN, ACTING DIRECTOR OF ELECTRONICS AND CONTROL, NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION

Mr. SULLIVAN. Mr. Chairman, members of the subcommittee, flight | control research facility requested for construction at the Langley Research Center is presented in volume 7 of the budget estimates beginning on page CF 5-4.

The purpose of this facility is to provide a research laboratory for conducting fundamental and detailed investigations related to optimizing man's performance as a flight controller in a wide variety of aerospace missions and systems.

The effective integration of the astronauts into the spacecraft system will be a major factor in the reliability, safety, and achievement of the objectives of future missions. The experimental studies and related simulation necessary to achieve these objectives require laboratory facilities to provide an accurate and realistic representation for pertinent flight environment.

The use of simulators offers the only means of providing this environment short of actual flight testing.

Present Langley simulators have been designed to solve immediate and specific problems related to both the Gemini and Apollo missions.

The subject facility will provide the housing, equipment, the flexibility and accessibility needed for the development of advanced control and display concepts.

A preliminary engineering layout of the first floor of this laboratory is shown on this slide. May I have the first slide (fig. 227), please? The facility will be a combined laboratory and office building with a total floor space of 72,420 square feet.

It will be a construction addition to Building 1268, which is the Langley Data Reduction Center.

Two large projection spheres are incorporated to permit full visual field projection scenes; several fixed base instrument cue stations and the human performance laboratory will provide the primary simulation areas. These areas will be served by the computer display development laboratory, the simulation development laboratory, and the simulation engineering sections all located on the first floor.

Illustrated on the second slide (fig. 228), which is the second floor layout, we have a section for program preparation, analysis, visual cue generation and recording areas.

You may turn the slide off, please.

The facilities will be organized so the information may be transmitted from any one of the cue generation areas to any of the simulation areas with ease.

Similarly the data collection and signal processing equipment will be capable of recording and reducing results obtained in any of the simulation areas.

The emphasis on modular construction flexibility will minimize setup time for the various experiments to be conducted and permit the relocation of experimental setups from the preparation areas in a minimum of time.

Special purpose data collection and signal processing equipment will speed results and reduce the costs of the data collection and processing.

Thus a maximum of flexibility has been planned so that the research required may be conducted efficiently and economically. No increase in the Langley complement is involved in staffing this facility. It will provide for a functional grouping of personnel presently located at several existing facilities in the Langley east and west areas.

The relocation of these personnel will relieve overcrowding in existing facilities and provide for a more effective means of conducting the research. The total estimated cost of this facility is $3,576,000. This last slide (fig. 222, p. 593), presents an aerial view of the Langley west site, you can see in the area outlined that this particular construction will be an adjunct to Building 1268, which is the Langley Data Reduction Center."

That concludes my statement, Mr. Chairman. I will be happy to answer any questions.

Mr. HECHLER. Wouldn't this be a fine facility to put up at the Electronic Research Center? Why have you decided to put this at Langley rather than there? Is this a lack of faith in the Electronics Research Center?

Mr. SULLIVAN. No, sir; this is a facility in keeping with our planned program for carrying out research that is commensurate with the particular mission and the capability and facilities that exist at the Langley Research Center, and as a result I don't think it would be wise to duplicate it or begin trying to "mode out" this sort of activity at the Electronic Research Center.

Mr. HECHLER. Why don't you put it out at Ames?

Mr. SULLIVAN. The Ames Research Center has a program which it is particularly interested in the simulation related to guidance activities pertinent to manned participation in space navigation mis

sions.

It does not get involved, fundamentally, in the manned space flight control aspect. This has been the sort of activity that we have directed and cultivated at the Langley Research Center.

Mr. HECHLER. I notice that this facility and the life support technology laboratory both have fallout shelters.

Mr. Harper's and Mr. Tischler's facilities don't have fallout shelters provided; nor does the Electronic Research Center, Mr. Roush advises

me.

What is the basic reason?

Aren't the factors the same at all of these?

Mr. MYERS. Mr. Chairman, perhaps I can answer that question. We are required to provide fallout shelters, to provide for the people that may be associated at Langley and the various facilities. Where it is feasible in a new facility to provide fallout shelter requirements that have been determined for the entire Langley complex, we try to provide these in these new facilities as they come along. There are some facilities for which it is not particularly feasible to do that.

Mr. ROUSH. Mr. Chairman?

Mr. HECHLER. Mr. Roush.

Mr. ROUSH. I don't understand the criteria.

Is it because of Langley that you should have fallout shelters at certain places there, and not have them at this very expensive facility that we are going to hopefully-that we are going to construct in Cambridge?

Mr. MYERS. The fallout shelter prgram for the United States, the regulations are set down not by NASA, but are set down for various local areas.

For example, the Langley Research Center and the Langley Air Force base have responsibilities within the overall Hampton community, the city of Hampton, and the surrounding community, to provide fallout shelters as part of the Government provision for fallout shelters for the entire area.

This is part of an overall plan, and where we can, as I was trying to point out, provide the additional fallout shelter requirements for the entire area, as new facilities are constructed, this is part of the plan.