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Q. Do you recall that trip?
A. No; I don't, sir. July of 1965?
Q. July 30, 1965.
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you ever make a trip yourself with that group of people?
A. No.
Mr. O'CONNOR. I have no further questions.
Mr. Hays. Thank you, Mr. Stone.
Mr. DICKINSON. Thank you.
Mr. O'Connor. May Mr. Stone be excused from the subpena?
Mr. Hays. Absolutely.
The WITNESS. Happy New Year, gentlemen.
Mr. HAYS. Same to you, sir.
(Witness excused.)

Mr. O'CONNOR. We have one more item of business so far as the record is concerned, Mr. Chairman, and that is what was brought up before the luncheon recess, the number of the employees of the com-. mittee who had been contacted.

I would like to have Mr. Gray resume the stand to testify concerning that.

ROBERT E. GRAY having been previously duly sworn, was examined and testified further as follows:

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Under your direction, Mr. Gray, was an investigation conducted as to the Members whose names appeared on the payroll of the standing Committee on Education and Labor and on the Ad Hoc Committee No. 7 on Poverty of the Committee on Education and Labor?

A. Yes.

Q. During the period January 3, 1965, to September 30, 1965, how many names appeared on that payroll?

A. Eighty-three.
Q. Were all 83 persons contacted?

A. No, sir. Sixty-nine were contacted—well, they were all contacted, or accounted for I should say.

Q. Would you explain to the committee how they were contacted or accounted for?

A. Sixty-nine were either contacted or accounted for by the investigators. One person was deceased. Thirteen were subpenaed, ten of whom appeared and three did not appear but we are satisfied that they exist.

Q. Who are the three that did not appear?
A. Miss Corrinne Huff, Cleomine B. Lewis, and James F. McCarthy.
Q. That accounts for all the names that were on the payroll?
A. Yes.

Mr. Hays. Perhaps the record should show that Mr. McCarthy is in the hospital and has been during the time of these hearings.

Mr. O'CONNOR. Yes.
I have no further questions.
Mr. Hays. That is all.
(Committee adjourned at 2:50 p.m. December 30, 1966.)

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