Mr. STEED. Mr. Horan, do you have any questions?

Mr. HORAN. No. I think what I would like to focus my attention on is what happens when you have studies and investigations? Mr. STEED. That will come up later.

Mr. Joelson, do you have any questions?

Mr. JOELSON. No, no questions.

Mr. STEED. Mr. Langen.

Mr. LANGEN. Do these figures reflect some changes that I believe were adopted by the House since this session started?

Mr. MEGILL. There have been several additions.

Mr. ROBERTS. How many?

Mr. MEGILL. Two, by House resolutions.

Mr. STEED. Now we come to page 16 of the bill and page 12 of your statement, Office of the Sergeant at Arms. The request this year is for $661,600, which is an increase over last year of $14,330. We have touched this earlier with Mr. Johnson.

OFFICE OF THE SERGEANT AT ARMS

Mr. ROBERTS. For the Office of the Sergeant at Arms, $661,600 compared with $647,270 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $14,330. We are requesting this increase to carry out the provisions of Public Law 87-730 which increased the longevity pay of the Capitol Police by $1,975; and an increase of $12,355 as provided by the Salary Act

of 1962.

Mr. STEED. How much surplus, if any, will there be in the Office of the Sergeant at Arms this year? How much was there last year? I do not suppose you can determine yet for this year?

Mr. GIBSON. It would be very hard. For 1962 the balance for the Sergeant at Arms Office was $32,967.32. In 1961 there was a balance of $27,783.88.

Mr. STEED. Mr. Johnson, can you give us a little more information on why a surplus does accrue? Is that because of vacancies in the police force, a time lag between the vacancy occurring and being filled?

Mr. JOHNSON. That is part of the surplus.

Mr. STEED. You said you did not use any of your $8,000 for additional clerical assistance. The amount set up for this year is $8,560. Is that because if it were used the pay raise would require it to be the equivalent of $8,000 under the old law?

Mr. JOHNSON. Yes.

Mr. STEED. Mr. Horan, do you have any questions?

Mr. HORAN. No questions.

Mr. STEED. Mr. Joelson.

Mr. JOELSON. Is the Capitol Police entirely separate from the Metropolitan Police?

Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, Mr. Joelson.

Mr. JOELSON. You will have to pardon me for asking these silly questions but I am a new member of this committee.

Mr. HORAN. I think it is only fair to say that of all the 10,000 people who can make arrests in the District of Columbia there is probably more cooperation between the Metropolitan Police and the Capitol Police than any other.

Mr. JOHNSON. That is true, Mr. Horan. They work together. Also, under the provisions of the U.S. Capitol Board there are police detailed from the Metropolitan Police Department to the Capitol for protection.

Mr. STEED. We will now turn to the Office of the Doorkeeper at page 17 of the bill.

OFFICE OF THE DOORKEEPER

Mr. ROBERTS. For the Office of the Doorkeeper, $1,150.410 compared with $1,109,225 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $41,185. We are requesting this increase to carry out the provisions of House Resolution 603, adopted April 16, 1962, which increased the basic salary of the two telephone clerks (one minority) by $900 each per annum: House Resolution 773, adopted September 26, 1962, which provided for three additional laborers at the basic rate of $1.650 each per annum; and an increase of $24,253 as provided by the Salary Act of

1962.

Mr. STEED. How much money is involved in these two resolutions you refer to? Would that be the $41,000 less the $24,000?

Mr. GIBSON. Yes, sir; that would be it.

Mr. STEED. Where are the three new laborer positions to be assigned? Mr. GIBSON. That I do not know.

Mr. ROBERTS. Somebody from the Doorkeeper's Office would have to answer that.

Mr. STEED. Was there any surplus in this item in the 1962 budget? Mr. GIBSON. Yes, sir. In 1962 there was a surplus of $38,070.07. Mr. STEED. Mr. Horan, any questions?

Mr. HORAN. No.

Mr. STEED. Mr. Joelson?

Mr. JOELSON. No questions.

Mr. STEED. Mr. Langen?

Mr. LANGEN. No questions.

Mr. STEED. We will turn to special and minority employees, page 19 of the bill and page 13 of your statement.

SPECIAL AND MINORITY EMPLOYEES

Mr. ROBERTS. For six minority employees, $94,595, compared with $92,790 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $1,805. This increase is provided by the Salary Act of 1962.

OFFICE OF THE MAJORITY FLOOR LEADER

For the office of the majority floor leader, including $2,000 for the official expenses of the majority floor leader, $77,760, compared with $76,235 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $1,525. This increase is provided by the Salary Act of 1962.

OFFICE OF THE MINORITY FLOOR LEADER

For the office of the minority floor leader, including $2,000 for the official expenses of the minority floor leader, $60,100, compared with $58,945 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $1,155. This increase is provided by the Salary Act of 1962.

OFFICE OF THE MAJORITY WHIP

For the office of the majority whip, $40,100, compared with $31,120 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $8,980. We are requesting this increase to comply with the request of the majority whip, by letter dated October 26, 1962, that his lump sum basic be increased by the basic amount of $3,100, which increases the total basic lump sum to $8,100; and an increase of $1,507 as provided by the Salary Act of 1962. Mr. STEED. Can you give any additional information for the record as to why this increase is sought?

Mr. MEGILL. There is a letter from the whip, Mr. Chairman. That is the only information we have.

Mr. STEED. The letter states that the workload in the office has increased tremendously and additional assistance is needed.

Mr. MEGILL. Mr. Chairman, it might be well to point out to the committee that if the increase is granted, language should be put in this bill to change the basic provision, maybe something like "Hereafter the basic shall be such amount."

Mr. STEED. You may proceed, Mr. Roberts.

OFFICE OF THE MINORITY WHIP

Mr. ROBERTS. For the office of the minority whip, $40,100, compared with $31,120 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $8,980. We are requesting this increase so that it will remain the same as the appropriation for the office of the majority whip.

Mr. MEGILL. We have a request, Mr. Chairman, from the minority whip that the committee might like to have.

Mr. STEED. Supply that to the clerk. We will take it into account.

TWO PRINTING CLERKS FOR CAUCUS ROOMS

Mr. ROBERTS. For two printing clerks, one for the majority caucus room and one for the minority caucus room, to be appointed by the majority and minority leaders, respectively, $14,515, compared with $14,240 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $275. This increase is provided by the Salary Act of 1962.

TECHNICAL ASSISTANT TO THE ATTENDING PHYSICIAN

For a technical assistant in the office of the attending physician to be appointed by the attending physician, subject to the approval of the Speaker, $12,345, compared with $12,110 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $235. This increase is provided by the Salary Act of 1962.

Mr. STEED. The attending physician, Dr. Calver, is here. Doctor, would you care to make any statement or comment for the record at this point?

Dr. CALVER. I do not think so, Mr. Chairman. The technical assistant for the attending physician is a man who has served here many years. He knows the Capitol and has been in charge of our pharmacy and in charge of all purchasing and he has done a very excellent job. Mr. JOELSON. What about the nurses?

Dr. CALVER. The nurses are all under the Architect. They come under the personnel of the buildings.

OFFICE OF THE POSTMASTER

Mr. ROBERTS. For the Office of the Postmaster, $359,525, compared with $342,300 appropriated for 1963, or an increase of $17,225.

We are requesting this increase to carry out the provisions of House Resolution 773, adopted September 26, 1962, which provided for two additional mail clerks at the basic rate of $2,100 each per annum; and an increase of $6,613 as provided by the Salary Act of 1962.

Mr. STEED. We have the Postmaster, Mr. Morris, here. Mr. Morris, do you have anything you want to say at this point for the record? Mr. MORRIS. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, thank you for the privilege of letting me come in.

I do not know of anything I can ask for except probably earlier when you were discussing the need for additional employees after we get in the Rayburn Building, and I do have a breakdown on that.

IMPACT OF RAYBURN BUILDING

As nearly as we can figure, based on the rooms and everything, we will need about 20 additional employees. There are 2,450 feet around on each floor. There will be five floors with offices. The first floor will have 23 congressional offices; the second floor will have 41; the third floor will have 46; the fourth floor will have 59, and the basement, 18.

In addition they will have 9 committees on the first floor and 15 subcommittees in the building, and 8 staff offices on the first floor, 2 staff offices on the third floor that have not been assigned to Members. There will be a total of 169 Members' offices.

Based on the shape of the building it will be necessary to backtrack some and as it is now a man picks up his mail out of the primary sorting and makes the delivery and comes back and repeats that three times a day. With the difference in size between the Rayburn Building and the Longworth Building we will have to have space just for the office sorting in the new building and make primary the breakdown in Rayburn Building before sending it over, because due to a little test we made we could not possibly get back and forth for the mail.

Mr. STEED. When 169 members are moved out of the other 2 buildings, will that enable you to save some manpower?

Mr. MORRIS. We hope so but until the Building Commission decides how they will remodel the buildings, we do not know. We do not know if they will close off all one section from the fifth floor down to the first in the old building, or something like that, and until we have some idea how that is done, we cannot say. If the offices are scattered we would still have almost the same amount of space to cover. What we would like to do is put these employees on a temporary basis under the contingent fund for 6 or 8 months until the situation is clarified. Mr. STEED. You do not expect the Rayburn Building to have any impact on you in fiscal 1964?

Mr. MORRIS. No.

HOUSE MAIL VOLUME

Mr. STEED. Last year you asked for two clerks and cited mail volume as the reason for the request. Can you give us any information this year on mail volume?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes. During the first 4 months of this year we are off 800,000 compared to 1961 and about 6,500 from last year. However, that is shown more in the small parcels and in what they call these messages or handouts. The letters are about the same. The off years are usually the lighter years. There has been some speculation from figures furnished by the city post office that there has been some decrease in rural mail and occupant mail like farmers' bulletins.

Mr. STEED. Mr. Morris, when the transcript comes to you I wish you would supply any additional information you may have on this item. Mr. MORRIS. Yes, sir.

(The following was submitted for the record :)

Mr. STEED. Any questions, Mr. Horan?

Mr. HORAN. Did I understand you to say the mail was less this

year?

Mr. MORRIS. Yes, sir. In the month of April this year we handled 2,135,000 pieces, and in April of 1962 we handled 1,931,000 pieces. However, in March 1962 we handled 2,276,000 and in March of this year 2,221,000. In the 4 months so far this year we handled 7,640,000, which is comparable to 8,630,000 in 1961 and 8,872,000 in 1962.

Mr. HORAN. Would you tell us just what you have used this contingent fund for?

Mr. MORRIS. We use that for extra clerks when we have illness, for substitute clerks, and for vacations and things like that. We sometimes double up and a man will work two shifts.

Mr. HORAN. Have you used all that?